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bluehornet2

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jacinto class ships
« on: July 22, 2004, 01:19:07 AM »
What happened  to Qineti upgrade of our Jacinto class ships, Is it already equip with british missiles? When was the test firing of the said missiles ?
Any latest news ???

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« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2004, 04:02:56 AM »
Umm... yeah, the upgrades. Hmm... well you see... uhh... the, the uhh...
upgrades... hmm... we seem to uhh... misplaced the uhh... money.
I know it's uhh... somewhere around here... hmm... nope can't find it...

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« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2004, 03:21:46 PM »
Why don't we not talk about our own navy? Mapapaiyak ka lang 'pre I swear. Instead let's talk about some other country's navy like Singapore or Thailand.

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« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2004, 08:39:47 PM »
i thought this kingston class was purely a coastal defense ship. dammed surprised seeing it in the middle of the pacific. seems like there is more to this thing than what is published.


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« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2004, 06:02:20 PM »
PEACOCK CLASS = JACINTO CLASS   :D

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navy modernization
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2004, 07:17:20 PM »
About 1996-1997, with the initial ratification of the modernization act, the PN was offered to look at Russian boats (I don't know if a Krivak, Neutrashimy or Mirage class), Canadian Halifax class frigate and a Rotterdam class LPD for the long term. Just imagine if the deal pushed through, and we are now about to acquire a modern frigate and LPD.

If the PN was to acquire a frigate for patrolling the South China Sea, what do you guys think would be the best class to suit the role. Please don't include the PF11. Would you go for a Halifax class, Perry class, Type 23 class, F124 class or Neutrashimy class.

I think the PN needs 1 frigate for power projection and long patrols and endurance. 1 Corvette for each of the NOBs and 1 OPB for each Naval District and 1 LPD for rapid deployment of Marines.

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« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2004, 09:58:48 PM »
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About 1996-1997, with the initial ratification of the modernization act, the PN was offered to look at Russian boats (I don't know if a Krivak, Neutrashimy or Mirage class), Canadian Halifax class frigate and a Rotterdam class LPD for the long term. Just imagine if the deal pushed through, and we are now about to acquire a modern frigate and LPD.

If the PN was to acquire a frigate for patrolling the South China Sea, what do you guys think would be the best class to suit the role. Please don't include the PF11. Would you go for a Halifax class, Perry class, Type 23 class, F124 class or Neutrashimy class.

I think the PN needs 1 frigate for power projection and long patrols and endurance. 1 Corvette for each of the NOBs and 1 OPB for each Naval District and 1 LPD for rapid deployment of Marines.



given the choices- Halifax class, Type 23 Duke class, F124 class, Neustrashimy class and Perry class-, i will go for the Perry class guided-missile frigate. among those choices, the Perry is the MOST POWERFUL and the most appropriate platform for the PN given its multi-role tasks- anti-surface defense (Harpoon SSMs), air defense (SM-1 missiles) and anti-submarine defense (ship and helicopter launched ASW torpedoes). ;)
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« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2004, 11:53:18 PM »
From an economic point of view, do you think the Philippines has the capability to support a modern Armed Forces (lets just say we have a squadron of MRFs a modern fleet of a frigate and corvettes, a modern army and minimized corruption), given that we already have a huge budget deficit.

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« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2004, 11:59:28 PM »
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From an economic point of view, do you think the Philippines has the capability to support a modern Armed Forces (lets just say we have a squadron of MRFs a modern fleet of a frigate and corvettes, a modern army and minimized corruption), given that we already have a huge budget deficit.


maybe.

if the good guys in the gov't come up with something to counter that budget deficit. ..

and IF there is "minimized corruption"

just my POVs

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jacinto class ships
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2004, 01:50:30 AM »
definetely it must be the FFG-7 Oliver Hazzard Perry-class Guided missile frigates.

It is the total package, somewhat a multi-mission ship if used in our navy.  Not only is it capable of engaging surface threats but has anti-air and anti-submarine capabailites as well.  It has also facilities to luach and land  a helicopter on its deck.  It used to have the SH-7 Sea Sprite, I gues with proper modication it could handle our BO-105's.  Truly a power projection ship, especially for a third world navy like ours!

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« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2004, 02:07:02 AM »
The Perry's started its duty with the US Navy using SH-2 Seasprite LAMPS I choppers but changed to the new and much more capable SH-60 Seahawk LAMPS III choppers. It can accomodate 2 choppers on its hangar.

It is a multi-mission ship which was tasked primarily to escort carriers and naval shipping. Its single missile launcher can launch either the Standard SAM or the Harpoon SSM. It does not have Tomahawk capability though. Its gun compliment comprises of a 76-mm dual-purpose gun and a single Phalanx system. Standard torpedo tubes are also mounted.

If the Philippines could acquire a number of these capable frigates, it would present such a deterrent to ships intruding our national waters.
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« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2004, 02:47:28 AM »
sadly, the PN is really slow to get at least four Perry class guided-missile frigates that the US offered for lease during the 1990's. the surplus short-hulled Perrys were retired and after storage in US Navy facilities in Bremerton, Washington and Philadelphia, they were sold to countries such as Turkey (8 ships), Egypt (4 ships), Bahrain (1 ship) and Poland (2 ships).

there are still two short-hulled Perry class frigates left in US Navy inventory- FFG-12 (USS George Philip) and FFG-14 (USS Sides). both of these vessels are being kept at the US Navy facility in Bremerton. the flagship of the Perry class guided-missile frigate, FFG-7 (USS Oliver Hazard Perry) is stored at the US Navy facility in Philadelphia BUT FFG-7 is slated for transfer as a museum ship.

as for the long-hulled Perry class frigates, the US Navy has no intention of retiring them for the time being.
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« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2004, 05:17:35 AM »
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Why don't we not talk about our own navy? Mapapaiyak ka lang 'pre I swear. Instead let's talk about some other country's navy like Singapore or Thailand.


If we talk about our neighbors' navies, baka lalo tayong depress. Never mind their missile Frigates and Corvettes, Thailand has an aircraft carrier, the Viraat, complete with Harrier jump jets, Malaysia has 2 new Scorpene subs and an old Agosta sub, Indonesia has 2 Type 209 subs, and Singapore has 4 Sjoorman A14 subs.

No way we can match these in 10 years time.  Why not just talk about how we can feasibly improve our navy in the near future.  I think we should atleast get one or two of those modernized U206 subs that the Germans will retire.  This will be a very good deterrent.

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« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2004, 10:37:24 AM »
If we do acquire Perry Class frigates, will we have the money to operate and mantain these? As far as I know these ships cost about $16 million dollars annually to operate.

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« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2004, 04:28:46 PM »
$16 million for one ship, the Philippine Navy was thinking about lease/buying 2 Newport Class LST, and these costs $12.5 million a year to operate. Now there is news about the Navy in negotiations for 2 Endurance Class, instead of the Endurance Class or more "refurbished" World War 2 Class LSTs. The Enduranc class has a 8,500 ton full load capability and is 140 meters long, can carry 350 men, 18 "tanks" plus more vehciles and cargo, and armed with 1 76mm gun, 2 Mistral SAMs, 2 .50 caliber machine guns. But the ship requires only a cre of 65 men due to Singapore's highly automated and automatic systems.  Malaysia's Newport Class however is also 8,500 tons full load but more than 170 meters long, a Phalanx system and 4 .50 caliber guns. But has a crew of over 250 men. Along with buying the Endurance, should the Philippine Navy decide to, they will also need to buy a new advanced or upgraded helicopterr(s) for supporting the marine landings as well as surveilance and maybe ASuW duties. Or if in support of Marine operations, these can be armed with 2? Helicopter gunships, AH-1J or upgraded versions? The PN will also need to buy the PMC a new amphibious vessels. Several offers and considerations include offers by taiwan to transfer LVTP-5/6, similar to PMC but with many upgrades, as well as buying USMC and South Korean versions of the AAVP-7, as well as more V-300 FSV and APC variants.

As far as the Peackcock upgrades, the upgrades was never for missiles, just similar upgrades as the Irish Navy's Peackcocks got. The upgraded consisted refurbishing the engines, a new fire control system, new surface search radar, and a new 25mm gun. The point is to make all 3 ships ready and available. Missiles are just not in the current needs of the Navy, they can't even buy bigger guns for the Cyclone, some of the newest ship in the PN. Unless the British government wants to donate some SSMs.

As for frigates, the PN was offered alot of ships, honestly I wouldve chosen 1 OH Perry, and 2 of those Knox class frigates, and 6 of those A-69 corvettes, more than enough for defense.  the Philippine Navy's best chance now for an ocena-going "large" fleet is to try to get some of those Hamilton Class ships and Medium Endurance as well as more Cyclone ships. Like I said before, the Hamiltons are constantly upgraded and well maintained. Even if the PN can only get one and can't get bigger weaponry than the current weapons, it will still be a great replacement for the Cannon not to mention in can carry a helicopter. atleast 1 Hamilton class, 4 Medium-Endurance, along with the 3 hopefully-all to be ready Peackocks, and for 1+2more to hopefully come Cyclones to be a new "large force" of ocean going fleet to replace the PCE and auk fleet, one of each ship in reserve or used for training.