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SCOUT RANGERS, SPECIAL FORCES TRAINING
« on: March 24, 2009, 09:59:26 AM »
Sir, what is the difference between the Scout Rangers and the Army Special Forces?
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Re: SCOUT RANGERS, SPECIAL FORCES TRAINING
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2009, 10:15:11 AM »
The difference is in the basic premise of their operations.

Scout Rangers are trained to destroy the enemy.

Special Forces are trained to convince other people to destroy the enemy -- either with them, or on behalf of the SF. Its "unconventional warfare (UW)" training that sets the SF apart from everyone else.

The SR specialize in search and destroy / offensive ops . . . the SF specialize in hearts and minds.

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I've run the following rough definitions by a number of pros . . . no complaints thus far.

Not really.

Special Forces - force multipliers; unconventional warfare experts as MikeLogics pointed out. Their job is to win over the local populace to the government's side and to organize/lead them against the enemies of the state. This is the reason why CAFGU organization was originally their domain (and remains so to a certain extent). Their arsenal is not limited to their weapons, but include their smiles and personality. (There's a reason why a lot of times they're the ones manning the exhibits during Philippine Army day)

Based on the "A" in their acronym [SFRA], they have a thing about jumping out of aircraft that are working just fine.

Scout Rangers - tip of the spear. COIN is about offering the choice between the carrot and the stick. The rangers are the stick. Whereas SF and SOT teams mingle with the population, Rangers avoid contact to keep the enemy guessing about their whereabouts. (This, according to Victor Corpuz, is the reason why Ranger-only operations don't work -- you need an SF/SOT component)

Force Recon - vanguard of the MBLTs. The PMC reportedly doesn't really consider Force Recon an elite unit. Since PMC doctrine emphasizes combined arms tactics, all units are part of a whole and just have different jobs. Force Recon's job is harder than of other units since they're the ones who are supposed to find / make first contact with the enemy, and consequently fire the first shots.

NAVSOG/SWAG - just add water. When you need an offensive punch from the sea, short of a full-scale amphib operation, these guys are it. (No idea if there are any doctrinal limits to how far in-land they can be used). Armed seaborne operations, such as underwater demolition and hostile-boat boarding are part of the menu.
« Last Edit: March 24, 2009, 10:19:52 AM by Adroth »
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Re: SCOUT RANGERS, SPECIAL FORCES TRAINING
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2009, 10:28:23 AM »
Just wondering mga sirs.....are there good books about the Scout Rangers, NAVSOG or any Pinoy SpecOps units- their training and exploits? Sawa na ako reading about the US SEALs, USMC Force Recon, US Army Rangers, SAS etc...etc... :bash:



 

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Re: SCOUT RANGERS, SPECIAL FORCES TRAINING
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2009, 09:22:27 AM »
Sir, how about the PNP SAF and the PNP SWAT?
« Last Edit: March 25, 2009, 09:31:05 AM by baldomero »

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Re: SCOUT RANGERS, SPECIAL FORCES TRAINING
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2009, 02:45:58 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_Scout_Ranger_Regiment

The following are the units that are under the Scout Rangers. However, no 13th company officially exists.


1st Scout Ranger Coy "We Dare"
2nd Scout Ranger Coy "Venceramos"
3rd Scout Ranger Coy "Terminator"
4th Scout Ranger Coy "Final Option"
5th Scout Ranger Coy "Salaknib"
6th Scout Ranger Coy "The Cutting Edge"
7th Scout Ranger Coy "In Hoc Signo Vinces"
8th Scout Ranger Coy "Destreure Hostis Deus"
9th Scout Ranger Coy "Angat sa Iba!"
10th Scout Ranger Coy "We Lead" (Ultimo Fortis)
11th Scout Ranger Coy "Pericoloso"
12th Scout Ranger Coy "Always Ready"
14th Scout Ranger Coy "Mabalasik"
15th Scout Ranger Coy "Mandirigma"
16th Scout Ranger Coy "Mabangis"
17th Scout Ranger Coy "Mabagsik"
18th Scout Ranger Coy "Makamandag"
19th Scout Ranger Coy "Dimalupig"
20th Scout Ranger Coy "Hellcat"



intersting how 13 was avoided....I wonder why....is there a story to that?

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Re: SCOUT RANGERS, SPECIAL FORCES TRAINING
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2009, 08:54:58 AM »
it must be bad luck,even elevator and bldg floor had no 13...
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Re: SCOUT RANGERS, SPECIAL FORCES TRAINING
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2009, 06:57:08 PM »
Sir, how about the PNP SAF and the PNP SWAT?


i think SAF is the SWAT of our national police



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Re: SCOUT RANGERS, SPECIAL FORCES TRAINING
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2009, 11:54:13 AM »
it must be bad luck,even elevator and bldg floor had no 13...

probably, but if that's the case....then it's peculiar how they sport, virtually a black cat, as their regimental symbol.  :lol:
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Re: SCOUT RANGERS, SPECIAL FORCES TRAINING
« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2009, 01:04:22 PM »

i think SAF is the SWAT of our national police

Nope.

The SAF are specifically a COIN force. SWAT units are separate.

The specific doctrinal delineations, however, have not been discussed here before.
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Re: SCOUT RANGERS, SPECIAL FORCES TRAINING
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2009, 05:21:30 PM »
so they're the one almost have the special armed group of PNP or something else?



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Re: SCOUT RANGERS, SPECIAL FORCES TRAINING
« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2009, 04:35:12 AM »
so they're the one almost have the special armed group of PNP or something else?

SWAT or SOG (Special Operations Group) or SOU (Special Operations Unit) depending on which local police call's their specially trained and equipped unit of their MOBILE group.  A Police Office -- city / province or region has an organized MOBILE group -- ex -- [name of city] CITY MOBILE GROUP (xCMG), xPMG (Provincial Mobile Group), RMG (Regional Mobile Group); and are used to augment / reinforce local police stations; or set-up temporary/permanent detachment/camp; or conduct limited coin operation.

SAF -- or Special Action Force is derived from the old PC-Ranger.  The are national in scope and reports directly to their heirachy.  They are specifically task for special operations -- such as counter insurgency, anti-smuggling (when they were attached with PASG), anti-terrorist.  They have their own training and doctrine, armor and intellegence group. 
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Re: SCOUT RANGERS, SPECIAL FORCES TRAINING
« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2009, 08:24:39 AM »
Sa South Superhighway may nakita ang mga SWAT doon. Ang dami nila. Mga naka dilaw. Solid Waste Action Team. Saludo ako sa kanila, maganda ang serbisyong nagagawa nila para sa bayan. Dahil sa sakripisyo nila nakakapamuhay tayo ng matiwasay.

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Re: SCOUT RANGERS, SPECIAL FORCES TRAINING
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2009, 08:58:08 AM »

SAF -- or Special Action Force is derived from the old PC-Ranger.  The are national in scope and reports directly to their heirachy.  They are specifically task for special operations -- such as counter insurgency, anti-smuggling (when they were attached with PASG), anti-terrorist.  They have their own training and doctrine, armor and intellegence group. 


They are also the GRP's unofficial anti-coup force, should some AFP units decide to go 1980's again.

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Re: SCOUT RANGERS, SPECIAL FORCES TRAINING
« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2009, 09:03:38 PM »
in the book of Criselda Yabes entitled "The Boys From the Barracks" - she has an account were SAF then was being referred to as "Small Army of Fidel"

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Re: SCOUT RANGERS, SPECIAL FORCES TRAINING
« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2009, 09:08:36 PM »
They are also the GRP's unofficial anti-coup force, should some AFP units decide to go 1980's again.

What happens when the anti-coup force initiates the coup? Is there an anti-anti-coup force  :lol: :lol: :lol: Who guards the guardians?
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