Author Topic: Why you do not want to get shot with an M16...(Warning: Disturbing photograph)  (Read 172411 times)

ForceRecon

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Re: Why you do not want to get shot with an M16...
« Reply #15 on: April 20, 2009, 05:06:15 AM »

Affirmative on that, Mr. FR. We were able to save the leg. Was touch and go for a while, though. Infection or the threat of it is now the patient's biggest enemy. And even if he recovers, he will be limping for the rest of his life, as over half of his thigh muscles died and we had to excise 'em.


About 9 years ago I was part of a archeological dive expedition off an island between Jolo and Zamboanga city. On the island I met a relatively young man who hopped around in crutches because  a lame leg . The affected leg was a full three (3) inches shorter and paralyzed. An interpreter told me  it was caused by a rifle  bullet.  The scar the poor chap sported was also at the thigh.


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Re: Why you do not want to get shot with an M16...
« Reply #16 on: April 20, 2009, 09:16:29 AM »
Roger on that sir,

This is how we differentiate between a low and a high velocity missile (Mil term)

Low velocity if it is slower than the speed of sound in air (1100fps), typically found in handguns and sub-machine guns,  bullets tend to be large in diameter and heavy ( 115-245 GRAINS) with wound characteristics such as larger permanent cavity, increased penetration into tissue due to weight, but fairly stable in tissue (wounds are more predictable)

High velocity if its 1100fps or higher,bullets vary greatly in weight (55-184 grains) thus creating a large temporary cavity.


Actually, projectile velocity is the be-all and end-all of determining high from low power. Projectile size, while undoubtedly important, just doesn't much factor into the matter. Obviously, a 230-grain bullet going at 3000 fps will be doing mucho more damage than a 55 grain bullet going at the same speed. But a 230 grain bullet going at 800 fps ( .45 ACP ) just can't do the same damage a 55 grain bullet going at >3000 fps can.



Which do you prefer sir, high or low velocity?


 :shock: Ahhh hehehe I am not sure of your question, but I will try to answer it both ways.


If I were to be the one to get shot, obviously i'd like to get hit by a low-powered round. Predictable damage, few surprises, less chance of surrounding-tissue destruction, better, faster chance of recovering.

But if I were to be the one INFLICTING the gunshot intentionally, you can bet i wish for the fight-stopping ability of the high-power rounds.

If I were a doctor who HAD to treat gunshot victims, I would wish for low-power injuries: Easy to manage; fast healing, generally positive outcomes. As you can surmise from the pics that CB has posted, damage here is very severe, and we expect this patient to need care for a long- long time.

I hope these answer your questions, Mr. Air. :angel:

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Re: Why you do not want to get shot with an M16...
« Reply #17 on: April 20, 2009, 11:28:21 AM »
None... (|8|

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Re: Why you do not want to get shot with an M16...
« Reply #18 on: April 20, 2009, 07:21:57 PM »
None... (|8|

Hmmm, that seems to be an even better answer... :lol:

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I hope the mods will not delete the pics because it will serve as a reminder. And one thing i will be posting more pics so that we will be aware and be aware of gun safety and wound ballistics  :thumbsup:

No problem. This forum is about the realities of war. Thanks for sharing :beer:

I simply added a warning for the benefit of those who may find it disturbing. 

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This photograph would fit nicely on airsoft fora as well. :twisted:
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No problem. This forum is about the realities of war. Thanks for sharing :beer:

I simply added a warning for the benefit of those who may find it disturbing. 

Can this man's leg still be saved?

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This photograph would fit nicely on airsoft fora as well. :twisted:

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. . . as part of a reality check.
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If the bullet used would have been say a .223 winchester 45 grn HP, shot from a 16" barrel, would it have caused less damage? Just wondering 'cuz I was able to get this type of ammo and the label say its for small varmints (cayotes, prairie dogs etc). 
                                       

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Factory-loaded .223 Rem. 45 gr. JHP from a 16" barreled AR will exceed 3000 fps, no problem, and .223 JHPs are very good fragmenters, so yes I would expect such a purpose designed varmint round to have performed similarly.

I used to have a few .223 40 gr. JHPs as made by Federal, and that round was absolutely EXPLOSIVE on water jugs and such. Wound ballistic info on such a round show that velocities in excess of 3400 fps are the norm, and they create HUGE, SHALLOW wounds in humans. Penetration usually is short, mga 5-7 inches lang, but the wound cavity is humongous, mga 4" wide, with fragging all over.

Those 45 grainers of yours will be good HD ammo, Mr. G. :thumbsup: Just get good 'muffs, as the muzzle blast will be STUNNING!  :lol:

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. . . as part of a reality check.

Oh the mods are fast and cold on this one, yet you let that other mumbling idiot reach 12 posts.  Racist!  :pirate:

As for the rest, seriously?  You guys need a picture and pages of discussions on why you wouldnt want to be shot?  Maybe its just me, but i learned from a young age, to avoid getting hit would bullets, maybe its because of my allergic reaction to it, which i believe could lead to death.  But I'm no expert.
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Oh the mods are fast and cold on this one, yet you let that other mumbling idiot reach 12 posts.  Racist!  :pirate:

As for the rest, seriously?  You guys need a picture and pages of discussions on why you wouldnt want to be shot?  Maybe its just me, but i learned from a young age, to avoid getting hit would bullets, maybe its because of my allergic reaction to it, which i believe could lead to death.  But I'm no expert.

mods, you let this guy reach     2973 post? tsk tsk tsk

hehehe....  :beer:
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mods, you let this guy reach     2973 post? tsk tsk tsk

hehehe....  :beer:

2975, bitch!  :pirate:
Alcohol only hurts me because it loves me.

Blessed is he who in the name of charity and goodwill shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brothers keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers...
Ezekiel: 25-17

And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts,
And I looked and behold: a pale horse.
And his name, that sat on him, was Death.
And Hell followed with him.

"If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun.” - Dalai Lama (Seattle Times, 05-15-2001). <--- knows his ****

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2975, bitch!  :pirate:

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mods, you let this guy reach     2973 post? tsk tsk tsk

hehehe....  :beer:


Agree, X2!!!

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Agree, X2!!!

Wow, I mean just wow!  Kinda broad sided me there, man.  Of all the people that I would expect to say that, you... wow... just coming from you, it really hurts.  Of all people, fufffffffffff... of all people men.  I thought we had a connection or understanding at the very least.  :(  we had a good thing going... I like some music from the village people, you were one. I dated the moms, you preferred their children 12 years old or younger.  I mean you had my cell phone number man, you could have just told me personally, i mean in front of all these people...  :(  Cut me real deep  whew!

So its really just my dog that understands me then... i dont even have one.  I mean sure Crow was just a punk kid who couldnt score with a woman in the US, he was just frustrated, but man I respected you. If that's the case, I will take hid, from henceforth, G.A.R.TM will be on a self imposed exile until further notice.

« Last Edit: April 21, 2009, 04:22:22 AM by G.A.R. »
Alcohol only hurts me because it loves me.

Blessed is he who in the name of charity and goodwill shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brothers keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers...
Ezekiel: 25-17

And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts,
And I looked and behold: a pale horse.
And his name, that sat on him, was Death.
And Hell followed with him.

"If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun.” - Dalai Lama (Seattle Times, 05-15-2001). <--- knows his ****