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WW2 Sherman Dredged from Manila Bay
« on: September 23, 2009, 06:51:42 AM »
There was transport  that sank  off what is now Baseco that sank during the battle of Manila?



WWII tank found at bottom of Manila Bay

By Marlon Ramos
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 18:03:00 09/23/2009

Filed Under: history

MANILA, Philippines -- The Philippine Coast Guard inspected on Wednesday a 65-year-old battle tank, which a private contractor of the Pasig River rehabilitation project accidentally dug up off Manila's South Harbor over the weekend.

Commander Armand Balilo, Coast Guard spokesperson, said personnel of Kwan Sing Construction Corp. recovered the Sherman M4-A1 tank while doing dredging activities near the breakwater in Baseco Compound, Tondo early Saturday.

According to Balilo, the tank was commonly used by the US military during World War II.

Fearing that the tank still contained explosives, he said barge operator Alex Froilan immediately informed the Coast Guard about their find.

"When we checked on it, we found several bullets for Garand rifles inside the tank," Balilo told the Philippine Daily Inquirer.

Balilo said the recovery of the tank may support the belief of some residents that a US military ship sank in the area at the height of the battle between the US and Japan.

He noted that a vintage cannon was also discovered in the same spot two months ago.

Balilo said the tank would be brought to the Coast Guard headquarters in Pier 15 on Thursday for safekeeping.

"We will immediately inform US embassy officials and the National Historical Institute because they might be interested with the tank," Balilo said.
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WW2 Sherman retrieved from Manila Bay
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2009, 07:11:25 AM »

Coast Guard personnel inspect Wednesday the rusty remains of a sunken WWII Sherman M4 tank retrieved from Manila Bay last Saturday. Danny Pata

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Re: WW2 Sherman retrieved from Manila Bay
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2009, 07:50:08 AM »
US Sherman tank dredged from Manila Bay more than 60 years after World War II
Associated Press
09/23/09 5:50 AM EDT


MANILA, PHILIPPINES — The Philippine coast guard says the wreckage of a U.S. tank has been dredged from Manila Bay's muddy seafloor more than 60 years after the end of World War II.

Spokesman Lt. Cmdr. Armand Balilo said Wednesday the M4A1 Sherman tank was accidentally discovered Saturday stuck in mud 15 to 20 feet (4.5 to 6 meters) underwater by a dredging company near the mouth of Pasig River.

Balilo says there appears to be no human remains inside the tank. It was discovered without its turret and tracks.

He says a Japanese 105 mm cannon was recovered nearby in July.

Manila was the scene of heavy fighting between U.S. and Japanese forces during the liberation of the Philippines in 1945, and war-era arms and ammunition have been found in the city.
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Re: WW2 Sherman retrieved from Manila Bay
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2009, 07:55:27 AM »
That sure made my day! :D
Tank overhaul anyone!?
I wonder what's more that lies under Manila Bay?
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Vessel dredging Pasig River recovers World War II vintage tank
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2009, 09:49:08 AM »

By Evelyn Macairan (The Philippine Star) Updated September 24, 2009 12:00 AM 

 
A vessel dredging the mouth of the Pasig River as part of the river rehabilitation program accidentally struck and recovered last Saturday a submerged World War II vintage battle tank that had sunk in Manila Bay.

Lieutenant Commander Armand Balilo, Philippine Coast Guard (PCG) spokesman who accompanied newsmen to the grab dredger vessel G/D Waling-Waling that was conducting operations 10 kilometers off the Bataan Shipping Co. (Baseco) compound in Tondo, Manila, said the Waling-Waling, which is operated by sub-contractor Kwan Sing Construction Corp., discovered the sunken Sherman M4-A1 tank at around 2 a.m. last Sept. 19.

The tank, covered by mud and silt, was later transferred to the Kwan Sing’s direct barge D/B Naghahari.

Kwan Sing construction manager Alex Andres said that their crane, which has the capacity to haul 40-tons, pulled out the solid steel tank estimated to weigh 10 tons.

“We did not expect to find a tank in the operation. We would turn it over to the PCG because of its historical value to the country,” said Andres.

The PCG sought the guidance of the National Museum on what to do with the remnants of the tank.

Balilo said that this was the first time that a battle tank was fished out from Manila Bay.

Balilo also disclosed that the dredging firm also recovered last July 25 a war vintage 105 Howitzer cannon that belonged to the Japanese Navy, also off the Baseco area.

When asked about the possibility of a vintage bomb lying in the waters of Manila Bay, Balilo said: “There are stories that ships sank in Manila Bay during World War II. Maybe a battleship carried the tank. But we have yet to find the ship.”

Balilo said that the sunken ship should be salvaged because it could become a hazard to navigation.

He said the area where the vintage tank and cannon were found is about 10 to 15 meters deep.

“There is no certainty that passing vessels would not hit the submerged vessel, if there is indeed such a ship,” Balilo.

Balilo said there is also the possibility that the dredging vessel might hit vintage bombs lying on the seabed that could explode.

“We could send divers into the water, but even if we send them I doubt if they would be able to see under the murky Manila Bay water and it might cause problems for our divers if their feet get stuck in the silt,” Balilo added.

The PCG said Kwan Sing has been conducting dredging operations for the last three months.


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Re: WW2 Sherman retrieved from Manila Bay
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2009, 11:11:02 AM »
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jguBnmRnF6XKzxYnvLdR70OJl9_gD9ASULR00


Members of the Philippine Coast Guard look at the wreckage of a U.S. World War II tank that was recently recovered in the muddy waters of Manila Bay, in the Philippines on Wednesday Sept. 23, 2009. Authorities said the tank, which appeared to be an M4 Sherman tank minus its turret, was accidentally discovered underwater by a dredging company near the mouth of the Pasig River. (AP Photo/Aaron Favila)


A member of the Philippine Coast Guard inspects the wreckage of a U.S. World War II tank that was recently recovered in the muddy waters of Manila Bay, in the Philippines on Wednesday Sept. 23, 2009. Authorities said the tank, which appeared to be an M4 Sherman tank minus its turret, was accidentally discovered underwater by a dredging company near the mouth of the Pasig River. (AP Photo/Aaron Favila)


Filipino reporters look at the wreckage of a U.S. World War II tank, foreground, that was recently recovered in the muddy waters of Manila Bay, in the Philippines on Wednesday Sept. 23, 2009. Authorities said the tank, which appeared to be an M4 Sherman tank minus its turret, was accidentally discovered underwater by a dredging company near the mouth of the Pasig River. (AP Photo/Aaron Favila)


A member of the Philippine Coast Guard jumps off the wreckage of a U.S. World War II tank that was recently recovered in the muddy waters of Manila Bay, in the Philippines on Wednesday Sept. 23, 2009. Authorities said the tank, which appeared to be an M4 Sherman tank minus its turret, was accidentally discovered underwater by a dredging company near the mouth of the Pasig River. (AP Photo/Aaron Favila)
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Re: WW2 Sherman retrieved from Manila Bay
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2009, 11:46:39 AM »
Ayus. Pandagdag sa museum!  :thumbsup:
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Re: WW2 Sherman Dredged from Manila Bay
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2009, 03:36:32 PM »
tracks and turret are missing,...


That sure made my day! :D
Tank overhaul anyone!?
I wonder what's more that lies under Manila Bay?

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Re: WW2 Sherman retrieved from Manila Bay
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2009, 03:49:06 PM »
That sure made my day! :D
Tank overhaul anyone!?
I wonder what's more that lies under Manila Bay?
More garbage  :lol:
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Re: WW2 Sherman Dredged from Manila Bay
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2009, 03:53:50 PM »
Maybe the ship carrying it was sunk by a kamikaze. That or maybe the ship crew jettisoned it upon hearing WW2 was over. Many equipment were simply left behind, destroyed, or jettisoned rather than be shipped back to the US.
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Re: WW2 Sherman retrieved from Manila Bay
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2009, 03:56:55 PM »
More garbage  :lol:

The turret maybe?

I'd keep hulks such as this. Restorers will pay a fortune for them. Talking with such people here, original parts can get pretty expensive. One of them said they paid over $50k for a B-17 upper turret (just the top).
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Re: WW2 Sherman retrieved from Manila Bay
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2009, 04:45:51 PM »
COnsidering there are very few relics of M4 Sherman tanks in the Philippines despite the numerous numbers that were here before, this tank hull should be preserved and let the AFP Museum or NHI take over the aspect of restoring it - as what are done to vehicles recovered/retrieved in Europe by museums.

And yes it is an M4-A1 as evidenced by the very circular front hull and absence of a major weld mold seen in composite hull shermans in the frontal side area of the hull.  No coaxial machinegun - most likely removed prior or immediately after the vessel sunk.

interesting historical find if i may say so.

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Re: WW2 Sherman Dredged from Manila Bay
« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2009, 06:09:11 PM »
The USN's records show only one ship (minesweeper) was sunk inside Manila Bay in 1945.

USS YMS-48 sunk by shore batteries in Manila Bay, Luzon, Philippine Islands, 14 February 1945.

http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq82-1.htm


Maybe the turret took a hit. Crews simply disposed of the tank remains.
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Re: WW2 Sherman retrieved from Manila Bay
« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2009, 11:16:24 PM »
More garbage  :lol:
:lol:
I meant relics such as spossible...
tracks and turret are missing,...


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The USN's records show only one ship (minesweeper) was sunk inside Manila Bay in 1945.

USS YMS-48 sunk by shore batteries in Manila Bay, Luzon, Philippine Islands, 14 February 1945.

http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq82-1.htm


Maybe the turret took a hit. Crews simply disposed of the tank remains.
How about LCM's LST's or some LSD's? There is a possibility.
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Re: WW2 Sherman Dredged from Manila Bay
« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2009, 02:18:37 AM »
an exploration at Manila bay sounds nice (but it is expensive),,, maybe we can find some very old shipwrecks down there, say from the galleon trade up to the present.  :beer:


What's the half circular metallic object that seem to be protruding from where the turret of the tank should be? Is it the lower part of the turret or just some irrelevant piece of metal?
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