Author Topic: The rationale behind the PN Multi-Role Vessel project  (Read 107182 times)

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« Reply #345 on: March 07, 2011, 09:59:32 AM »
So meanwhile, the money is earning interest in the bank?  

IIRC, the AFP Modernization Trust Fund is deposited in a government bank. A few years ago, one of the procedural matters that the AFP was reportedly working on with the Department of Finance was definition of the red tape for accessing to the interest income from the fund.
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Re: The rationale behind the PN Multi-Role Vessel project
« Reply #346 on: March 22, 2011, 06:29:32 PM »
Can anyone verify this?

Indonesia also received orders three Landing Platform Dock ships, which can accommodate helicopters, from the Philippines. This ship is not only used for transporting troops, but also for disaster management operations. This purchase through a credit facility with the signing of the government. "But now it has not," he said.

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Re: The rationale behind the PN Multi-Role Vessel project
« Reply #347 on: March 23, 2011, 09:40:56 AM »
Can anyone verify this?

Indonesia also received orders three Landing Platform Dock ships, which can accommodate helicopters, from the Philippines. This ship is not only used for transporting troops, but also for disaster management operations. This purchase through a credit facility with the signing of the government. "But now it has not," he said.

http://www.defense-studies.blogspot.com/

would be nice if its true, still the Korean built is what i'd hope for, package deal with the KLVTP-7 / KAAV and other stuff is really a good deal.
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Re: The rationale behind the PN Multi-Role Vessel project
« Reply #348 on: March 23, 2011, 09:51:42 AM »
would be nice if its true, still the Korean built is what i'd hope for, package deal with the KLVTP-7 / KAAV and other stuff is really a good deal.

The Indonesians are building South Korean LPDs under license. That, reportedly, is the same arrangement that we are going for.
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Re: The rationale behind the PN Multi-Role Vessel project
« Reply #349 on: March 23, 2011, 06:05:22 PM »
The Indonesians are building South Korean LPDs under license. That, reportedly, is the same arrangement that we are going for.

The Koreans have a shipyard in Subic, so that's a big possibility. I hope the OPVs come under a similar arrangement.

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Re: The rationale behind the PN Multi-Role Vessel project
« Reply #350 on: March 23, 2011, 07:15:57 PM »
Thanks for the correction Sir A, i knew the Indonesians were building them under license. Just thought they wanted to have everything built in Korea as part of the deal to freeze the price from increasing or changing.
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The EE-T4 Reccon Vehicle is a brilliant vehicle. Quick, light armored and have it armed with a RCWS equipted with a 0.50 cal HMG and 40mm AGL combo i'm ganna be happy with it. Better yet install a 20-25mm RCWS with a co-axial 7.62mm MG to it, Hell… just perfect for the Philippine Army.

Weisel is cute but the EE-T4, makes you go Wow!!! Send a pack of them and they could drive fast and deep into the Philippine Jungle and we could clear the rebels alot sooner. Hopefully the GA or PA R&D looks into this vehicle and craft our own version of the EE-T4, calling our version "Daga" would be fitting.

Ever see a pack of rats converge on unattended meal, a sight of the EE-T4 RP version moving in would give any rebel LBM.

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Re: The rationale behind the PN Multi-Role Vessel project
« Reply #351 on: March 23, 2011, 10:27:23 PM »
The Koreans have a shipyard in Subic, so that's a big possibility. I hope the OPVs come under a similar arrangement.

Is the K.M.U. (Kilusang Mayo Uno), militant labor union, active in any or all Philippine Shipyards?
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Re: The rationale behind the PN Multi-Role Vessel project
« Reply #352 on: March 23, 2011, 10:59:47 PM »
Is the K.M.U. (Kilusang Mayo Uno), militant labor union, active in any or all Philippine Shipyards?

they sure would be... they are everywhere in our society except the AFP and government agencies...
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The EE-T4 Reccon Vehicle is a brilliant vehicle. Quick, light armored and have it armed with a RCWS equipted with a 0.50 cal HMG and 40mm AGL combo i'm ganna be happy with it. Better yet install a 20-25mm RCWS with a co-axial 7.62mm MG to it, Hell… just perfect for the Philippine Army.

Weisel is cute but the EE-T4, makes you go Wow!!! Send a pack of them and they could drive fast and deep into the Philippine Jungle and we could clear the rebels alot sooner. Hopefully the GA or PA R&D looks into this vehicle and craft our own version of the EE-T4, calling our version "Daga" would be fitting.

Ever see a pack of rats converge on unattended meal, a sight of the EE-T4 RP version moving in would give any rebel LBM.

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Re: The rationale behind the PN Multi-Role Vessel project
« Reply #353 on: March 24, 2011, 03:38:52 AM »
Is the K.M.U. (Kilusang Mayo Uno), militant labor union, active in any or all Philippine Shipyards?

It may not be KMU but for sure there'd be a union.

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Re: The rationale behind the PN Multi-Role Vessel project
« Reply #354 on: March 24, 2011, 07:52:59 AM »
KMU's not as powerful as before. And shipyards have different work systems because of the cyclical nature of the industry. Workers are also very highly paid as they are quite skilled.

I'd really prefer having a bunch of these ships sooner than a Hamilton. Here's praying they got on board with this program soon!

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Re: The rationale behind the PN Multi-Role Vessel project
« Reply #355 on: March 26, 2011, 04:12:45 AM »
Did our government drop the package being offered by the Republic of South Korea?


JAKARTA - A number of neighboring countries, such as Papua New Guinea, Philippines, and Brunei, exploring the possibility of buying weapons and obtain export credit from the Government of the Republic of Indonesia.

The Philippine government plans to spend 100 million U.S. dollars to buy three ships landing platform dock (LPD) for its navy. "We're negotiating the LPD specification that suits the budget of the Philippines," said Purnomo. (edited)

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Re: The rationale behind the PN Multi-Role Vessel project
« Reply #356 on: March 26, 2011, 04:36:36 AM »
Timor Leste interested in buying Indonesia-made ships
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2011/03/23/timor-leste-interested-buying-indonesiai-made-ships.html
 English translation of that article in "the Jakarta Post"..

-....."(They) wish to increase military cooperation and military education. They wish to participate in Lemhanas, Sesko and Unhan. We have so far also received participants from other countries," he said.

Besides Timor Leste a number of countries in Southeast Asia have also been interested to buy Indonesia`s strategic industry products such as the Philippines, Brunei Darussalam and Malaysia.

Purnomo said the Philippines had expressed its interest in landing platform dock (LPD) ships which could accommodate helicopter and be used for transporting troops and in natural disaster handling operations....
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Re: The rationale behind the PN Multi-Role Vessel project
« Reply #357 on: March 26, 2011, 04:53:53 AM »
Timor Leste interested in buying Indonesia-made ships
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2011/03/23/timor-leste-interested-buying-indonesiai-made-ships.html
 English translation of that article in "the Jakarta Post"..

-....."(They) wish to increase military cooperation and military education. They wish to participate in Lemhanas, Sesko and Unhan. We have so far also received participants from other countries," he said.

Besides Timor Leste a number of countries in Southeast Asia have also been interested to buy Indonesia`s strategic industry products such as the Philippines, Brunei Darussalam and Malaysia.

Purnomo said the Philippines had expressed its interest in landing platform dock (LPD) ships which could accommodate helicopter and be used for transporting troops and in natural disaster handling operations....


Am i reading it right? East Timor buying on Indonesia?!

Me is wondering what has happened to the Korean deal.  :eyes:

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Re: The rationale behind the PN Multi-Role Vessel project
« Reply #358 on: March 26, 2011, 05:00:49 AM »
Me feels the folks are slowly leaning on the Singaporean LPD..
From Asian Military Review,  Feb 2011 Issue...

New Export Amphibious Design  
In October 2010, Singapore Technologies Marine (ST Marine) unveiled a new amphibious ship design, the Endurance 160 Helicopter Support Ship (LHD).  A variant of the Endurance class Landing Platform-Dock (LPD), the 14,500 ton Endurance 160 LHD features a 146-meter (478 ft) full length flight deck with five landing spots, an island superstructure with a single enclosed mast and two deck elevators.  
AMI assesses that this design will primarily be offered for export as the Republic of Singapore Navy‘s (RSN) Endurance class still has over half of its service life remaining. An export LHD model would be a boom to Singapore‘s industrial base as ST Marine has completed the indigenous Formidable class frigate program and has no major indigenous or export naval work in the near term and would like to exploit the foreign market for amphibious vessels.
The design would meet a growing requirement in the region for larger multi-purpose expeditionary ships.  
The ST Marine LHD design could be a possible choice for regional countries such Thailand, Malaysia and the Philippines that are looking at acquire more capable amphibious ships.
Platform specifications for the Endurance 160 are as follows:
Endurance 160 LHD
Length 163m (534.6ft)
Beam 25.6m (83.9ft)
Speed (Max) 22-knots
Range 7,000nm at 15-knots
Compliment 140
Troop Capacity 400
Displayed by ST Marine at Euronaval 2010, the Endurance 160 design is expected to be highly automated (hence the reduced complement compared to similar ship designs).  Though the Endurance 160 does not incorporate bow doors for a ―drive through‖ capability; future design options may incorporate this feature.  One medium caliber gun and a close-in weapon system (CIWS) were each located on the bow and stern, port and starboard side.  A deck launched, point defense missile system was not evident, though adequate space is available.  The Endurance 160 class will likely carry up to five large  helicopters, two landing craft-utility and 2 LCVP type craft, and unmanned surface vessels (USV), such as the Protector.
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Re: The rationale behind the PN Multi-Role Vessel project
« Reply #359 on: March 26, 2011, 07:58:30 AM »
Reportedly, the AFP had its chance with the Endurance, and blew it.

An offer was made . . . we took too long to respond . . . by the time we got back to the table, production costs had exceeded our approved budget.

This is why one of the things negotiators for the Makasaar deal worked to lockdown was an escalation price cap. Hard lesson learned.
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