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Army SF just inaugurated today 12 riverine scout boats and 1 support boat at total cost of only 10.5 million pesos, compare these with the Navy's 2 MPACs very expensive MPACs:

http://pdff.sytes.net/index.php?showtopic=3811&st=75 (posted by mazingu)

Lt. Col. Lincoln Tagle, 4th Special Forces Battalion commander, said that the scout and support boats were built by local boat makers under the Philippine Army Watercraft Project "Condor" through Ortiz's initiative.

"This is in response to the requirements of the AFP and the prevailing security situation in Mindanao, particularly in Basilan province," Tagle said.

Each of the scout boats is powered by a 115-horsepower outboard motor engine with a maximum speed of 39 knots while the support boat is powered with a 240-horsepower inboard engine with a maximum speed of 24 knots.
 

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Re: Army Special Forces Project Condor riverine boats vs Navy's MPACs
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2010, 02:31:40 AM »
why make a fuzz between PA 12 riverine scout boats and PN MPACS?  :jeez:



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Re: Army Special Forces Project Condor riverine boats vs Navy's MPACs
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2010, 02:38:16 AM »
low cost = more boats

high cost = only 2 boats

just exploring the pros and cons

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Re: Army Special Forces Project Condor riverine boats vs Navy's MPACs
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2010, 02:48:41 AM »
did you checked out the specs of the scout boats? and the MPAC as well?

why put "vs." in the title

...By US News Agency / Asian

The Philippine Army has equipped one of its elite units with highly maneuverable watercraft aimed to strengthen the government’s campaign against terrorist, kidnappings and piracy here in Mindanao particularly in the waterways of this city and Basilan province.

At the same time, Philippine Army chief Lt. Gen. Arturo Ortiz activated a battalion of elite troops known as the 4th Scout Ranger Battalion during his visit Thursday afternoon in Basilan province.

Equipped with highly maneuverable watercraft consisting of 12 scout boats and one support boats is the 4th Special Forces (Riverine) Battalion though based in this city but was given an extended task to secure Basilan province.

Ortiz led the inauguration and blessing Thursday morning of the newly-built 12 units of 23-footer scout boats and one unit of 55-footer support boat.

Lt. Col. Lincoln Tagle, 4th Special Forces Battalion commander, disclosed the scout and support boats were built by local boat makers under the Philippine Army Watercraft Project “Condor” through the initiative of Ortiz.

“This is in response to the requirements of the AFP (Armed Forces of the Philippines) and the prevailing security situation in Mindanao, particularly in Basilan province,” Tagle said.

Each of the scout boats is powered by a 115-horse power outboard motor engine which has a maximum speed of 39 knots while the support boat is powered with 240-horse power inboard engine that has a maximum speed of 24 knots.

A scout boat can carry six personnel in full combat gear and two crews on board while the support boat can carry 50 personnel in full combat gear and manned by five crews.

can you find an image of the scout boat and compare that to the MPAC

The project condor has a total cost of P10.566 million which is just the equivalent of procuring one unit light support boat that can carry only 25 personnel, Tagle said.

Ortiz said he came up with the project because there is a need to secure the waterways between this city and Basilan as it cannot be denied that terrorism, kidnappings and piracy are among the biggest problem in this part of the country.

Ortiz added that he came up with the project “because we are facing the enemy that is highly mobile, fluid and efficient.”

He said that one solution in dealing with the problems on terrorism, kidnappings and piracy is to guard the waterways.

“Deny them (enemy) the use of these waterways and we shall deny them of mobility and support,” he added.

Ortiz activated the 4th Scout Ranger Battalion as the Philippine Army is taking over the security duties from the 1st Marine Brigade in Basilan province that comprises of one city and 12 municipalities.

The 4th Scout Ranger Battalion is deployed alongside with the troops from the Army’s Special Operations Command (Socom) forces that replaced the marine troops.

All of the Army troops deployed in Basilan are placed under the newly-created Special Operations Task Force-Basilan headed by Col. Nicanor Dolojan, the concurrent Socom deputy commander.

Dolojan said the task force was created last September to take command and control of all the Army units deployed in Basilan province.

The 1st Marine Brigade was deployed to Central Mindanao particularly in Cotabato.

The complete pullout of the 1st Marine Brigade is set to be completed within this month, Dolojan said.

http://www.usnewslasvegas.com/provincial/troops-equipped-with-maneuverable-watercraft-to-fight-terrorists-kidnappers-and-pirates/
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Re: Army Special Forces Project Condor riverine boats vs Navy's MPACs
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2010, 04:36:59 AM »
The stupid in this forum never end.
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Re: Army Special Forces Project Condor riverine boats vs Navy's MPACs
« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2010, 04:51:22 AM »
The stupid in this forum never end.

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Re: Army Special Forces Project Condor riverine boats vs Navy's MPACs
« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2010, 07:22:56 AM »
The stupid on the other forum is waaaaaaaaayyy never ending... they're all like, "Way to go Army SF! Mas mura kayo sa Navy MPAC!"

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Re: Army Special Forces Project Condor riverine boats vs Navy's MPACs
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2010, 01:28:09 PM »
low cost = more boats

high cost = only 2 boats

just exploring the pros and cons
Apples vs oranges.
No comparison.

Take the riverine boat into the ocean and see how long you can do it and how far you get.  Good luck getting home too.
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Re: Army Special Forces Project Condor riverine boats vs Navy's MPACs
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2010, 03:17:09 PM »
low cost = more boats

high cost = only 2 boats

just exploring the pros and cons

This is like comparing a Robinson R-22 with a Chinook. :jeez:

Think about how these craft were meant to be used . . . and where.

Why do you think countries that use CB90s still have RHIBs and similar craft?
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Re: Army Special Forces Project Condor riverine boats vs Navy's MPACs
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2010, 04:30:58 PM »
With this reasoning, we should indeed get bancas instead of the MPV.
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Re: Army Special Forces Project Condor riverine boats vs Navy's MPACs
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2010, 04:45:05 PM »
With this reasoning, we should indeed get bancas instead of the MPV.

I think that was part of the pontoon-bridge assault strategy. Marines can walk from island to island on that.
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Re: Army Special Forces Project Condor riverine boats vs Navy's MPACs
« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2010, 04:48:53 PM »
 :thumbsup:
I think that was part of the pontoon-bridge assault strategy. Marines can walk from island to island on that.
Right and we don't need SSMs. A gun will do. Heck a slingshot will be even cheaper.
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Re: Army Special Forces Project Condor riverine boats vs Navy's MPACs
« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2010, 05:00:32 PM »
:thumbsup:Right and we don't need SSMs. A gun will do. Heck a slingshot will be even cheaper.

To add . . . give all our troops knives, and they can split their bullets or stones in two, and hit two bad guys at the same time . . .  double your value.
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Re: Army Special Forces Project Condor riverine boats vs Navy's MPACs
« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2010, 06:05:02 PM »
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