Author Topic: Retitled: BRP Gregorio del Pilar (PF-15) - ex USCGC Hamilton [WHEC-715]  (Read 727084 times)

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Re: Retitled: BRP Gregorio del Pilar (PF-15) - ex USCGC Hamilton [WHEC-715]
« Reply #330 on: February 18, 2011, 10:07:15 PM »
    USCGC Hamilton (WHEC-715) finally arrived in it's homeport of San Diego Feb.15th after a long 3 month patrol deployment in the Bering Sea...  8)


http://www.uscgsandiego.com/go/doc/830/1017955/

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Re: Retitled: BRP Gregorio del Pilar (PF-15) - ex USCGC Hamilton [WHEC-715]
« Reply #331 on: February 19, 2011, 02:34:07 AM »
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n a speech to the Surface Navy Association in January, Adm Papp noted that the average age of the 12 Hamilton-class cutters in USCG service was now 40 years, compared to 14 years for a US Navy ship. "Maintaining old ships is costly, both in dollars and mission performance," he said. "In FY09 [Fiscal Year 2009] we spent 3.5-times our budgeted maintenance funds to keep our high-endurance cutters operational. Even so, we lost 569 patrol days to engineering casualties - that equates to an astounding one-quarter of the total available patrol days. This is unacceptable."

http://defense-studies.blogspot.com/2011/02/philippines-eyes-wider-acquisition-plan.html


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Re: Retitled: BRP Gregorio del Pilar (PF-15) - ex USCGC Hamilton [WHEC-715]
« Reply #332 on: February 19, 2011, 08:49:27 AM »
    USCGC Hamilton (WHEC-715) finally arrived in it's homeport of San Diego Feb.15th after a long 3 month patrol deployment in the Bering Sea...  8)


http://www.uscgsandiego.com/go/doc/830/1017955/




Section 36(b) of the Arms Export Control Act (AECA) requires the President to give Congress advance written notification of the intent to sell defense articles, equipment and services.


15 days prior notification for NATO, Japan, Australia, and New Zealand for
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Defense articles or services $100M;
Design and construction services valued at $300M.


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Re: Retitled: BRP Gregorio del Pilar (PF-15) - ex USCGC Hamilton [WHEC-715]
« Reply #333 on: February 19, 2011, 10:01:05 AM »
15 days prior notification for NATO, Japan, Australia, and New Zealand for
Major Defense Equipment (MDE) valued at $25M;
Defense articles or services $100M;
Design and construction services valued at $300M.


30 days prior notification for all other countries for
MDE valued at $14 million or more;
Defense articles or services with a total value of $50 million;
Design and construction services of $200 million or more.

IIRC, as a non-NATO ally, we get to be treated like NATO. Will post the relevant section in ITAR later.
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Re: Retitled: BRP Gregorio del Pilar (PF-15) - ex USCGC Hamilton [WHEC-715]
« Reply #334 on: February 19, 2011, 10:30:03 AM »
Since the Hamilton Class Cutters are already considered old, these are my suggestions...



Our naval designers and engineers should look at it as a prototype. Correct all design flaws, incorporate new design/construction upgrades then build the new and final ship class in our shipyards.
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Re: Retitled: BRP Gregorio del Pilar (PF-15) - ex USCGC Hamilton [WHEC-715]
« Reply #335 on: February 19, 2011, 10:42:58 AM »
Since the Hamilton Class Cutters are already considered old, these are my suggestions...




Art - nice line drawing. Just a reminder though - the class is already capable of Harpoon mounts. SAM capabilities would be more than likely limited to SHORAD type systems.

Does anyone know if these things used to have torp tubes?
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Re: Retitled: BRP Gregorio del Pilar (PF-15) - ex USCGC Hamilton [WHEC-715]
« Reply #336 on: February 19, 2011, 12:08:57 PM »
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/starQhenson/CGCHamilton.jpg
its better to change at the forward part with a vertical launching pad of sam

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Re: Retitled: BRP Gregorio del Pilar (PF-15) - ex USCGC Hamilton [WHEC-715]
« Reply #337 on: February 19, 2011, 04:03:37 PM »
Since the Hamilton Class Cutters are already considered old, these are my suggestions...



Our naval designers and engineers should look at it as a prototype. Correct all design flaws, incorporate new design/construction upgrades then build the new and final ship class in our shipyards.

excellent drawing  :bravo:

however, i do not believe that such an upgrade will happen to whatever hamilton class cutter we wind up with.  based on what i've gathered from everyone's posts, i think the big picture on the hamilton acquisition is this:

1.  the americans are looking to bolster a bulwark against the increasing military might of china.  in southeast asia, the philippines is one of the few nations that is strategically placed that could act in that capacity.  however, the chinese are known to be overly sensative to even the littlest of actions.  any open assistance may be interpreted as a provocation.  thus the objective for the americans would be to increase an ally's military capabilities, but do so very quietly.  not to mention that there may be other concessions involved (oil rights, etc.)
2.  giving a 40 year old coast guard cutter to the philippine navy would serve that purpose.  it would bolster the philippine navy capabilitywise in that the ship has more modern weapons (having undergone SLEP in the 1990's) and with its extended range, allowing longer range patrols.
3.  the ship does not currently possess anti ship missiles.  such a weapons system would attract the attention of the chinese.  this may also be a reason for removing the hamilton's ciws systems.
4.  for the philippines, it is an opportunity to gain an additional more modern unit.  it creates a capability for longer extended range operations.  it would also give the pn an air capability afloat.  in demonstrating that the pn is capable of operating such a unit (not to mention pay for the ship's operating costs), it may the prelude to further ship acquisitions (either additional hamilton class cutters, or even a perry class frigate -- which now no longer carries its forward missile launcher). 
4.  if, as some have speculated, up to 3 hamilton class cutters may be transferred, a 4th unit could be transferred for use as spares to maintain the other 3.  acquisition of a spare unit may be useful for study by local shipbuilding companies for possible production of indigenously produced naval vessels.

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Re: Retitled: BRP Gregorio del Pilar (PF-15) - ex USCGC Hamilton [WHEC-715]
« Reply #338 on: February 19, 2011, 04:04:13 PM »
btw, does anyone have ideas on what a possible name for the new ship might be?

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Re: Retitled: BRP Gregorio del Pilar (PF-15) - ex USCGC Hamilton [WHEC-715]
« Reply #339 on: February 19, 2011, 05:00:30 PM »
btw, does anyone have ideas on what a possible name for the new ship might be?


    I think the 1st Hamilton that we get should be named BRP Luzon, and subsequently if we do get the additional 2 more class vessels they should be named BRP Visayas and BRP Mindanao respectively...Just a suggestion!  :D
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Re: Retitled: BRP Gregorio del Pilar (PF-15) - ex USCGC Hamilton [WHEC-715]
« Reply #340 on: February 19, 2011, 05:35:36 PM »
Has it been confirmed that the CIWS will not be included?
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Re: Retitled: BRP Gregorio del Pilar (PF-15) - ex USCGC Hamilton [WHEC-715]
« Reply #341 on: February 19, 2011, 06:34:35 PM »
I think I'd like for most if not all of the sensors to be on the boat rather than the weapons... because the cutter we can re-arm later if needed... but the sensors I think would be much more difficult to do.

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Re: Retitled: BRP Gregorio del Pilar (PF-15) - ex USCGC Hamilton [WHEC-715]
« Reply #342 on: February 19, 2011, 07:30:22 PM »
Has it been confirmed that the CIWS will not be included?

    NO...The latest photo of WHEC-715 last Feb.12  at Vancouver port still shows the CIWS aboard...  8)
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Re: Retitled: BRP Gregorio del Pilar (PF-15) - ex USCGC Hamilton [WHEC-715]
« Reply #343 on: February 19, 2011, 07:33:41 PM »
3.  the ship does not currently possess anti ship missiles.  such a weapons system would attract the attention of the chinese.  this may also be a reason for removing the hamilton's ciws systems.

ganon din ang kalalabasan non, aalisan ng US ng armas ang barko ililipat nila sa Pinas, Tapos kakabitan ng Pinas ng armas ang barko, di bibilang pa din ng mga araw, buwan o taon bago magamit ang barko. di naman puede gamitin ang barko na wala namang kagamit gamit panlaban. ano yan display lang sa dagat o di kaya panakot lang. papaano cia masasabing bantay ng karagatan kung walis lang ang dala niya. at isa pa kung sakaling may armas yan barkong kukunin nila makikita din ng intsik yan. di naman puede itago nila sa kamarote nila ang armas. ang sa akin lang umiiwas lang ang US na hindi cia madamay sa barkong ililipat nila sa Pinas kaya balak nilang alisan ng armas. di bale pag dating ng barko dito gawin nalang nating tourist ship para sa spratley kung sino man ang gusto mag swimming doon total malapit na ang summer. matatalo nila ang boracay. joke lang ha!

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Re: Retitled: BRP Gregorio del Pilar (PF-15) - ex USCGC Hamilton [WHEC-715]
« Reply #344 on: February 19, 2011, 07:35:21 PM »
   NO...The latest photo of WHEC-715 last Feb.12  at Vancouver port still shows the CIWS aboard...  8)

Just because the CIWS is present while it remains in USCG service . . . does not mean that it will remain on board when turn over to the PN.

Reportedly, a fair amount of equipment will be removed.

di bibilang pa din ng mga araw, buwan o taon bago magamit ang barko. di naman puede gamitin ang barko na wala namang kagamit gamit panlaban.

A boat isn't useless just because it doesn't have missiles. In the full spectrum of threats, there are a fair number that do not require such weapons.

At this point, the Hamilton is being acquired for EEZ protection.
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