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Rocket launcher acquisition (PA)
« on: March 23, 2011, 10:08:31 AM »
PA rocket launcher project . . . made public.


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He said the Army is also set to receive 470 night fighting system units, 6 units of 155 howitzers with ammunition, 100 units of 81mm mortar with ammunition, and 335 units of rocket launchers with ammunition.
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Re: Rocket launcher acquisition (PA)
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2011, 02:34:34 PM »
more details please for the said rocket launchers  :bravo:

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Re: Rocket launcher acquisition (PA)
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2011, 03:10:05 PM »
OT but try consider reading this.

http://editthis.info/worldatplay/Philippine_Army


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Re: Rocket launcher acquisition (PA)
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2011, 05:22:34 PM »
OT but try consider reading this.

http://editthis.info/worldatplay/Philippine_Army



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Re: Rocket launcher acquisition (PA)
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2011, 09:44:37 AM »
An older post

More support for reports that the AFP already received RPGs this year

From page 16 of the 2008 AFP Modernization Report: http://www.afpmodernization.mil.ph/annual/afpmp-annualrpt08.pdf


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Re: Rocket launcher acquisition (PA)
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2011, 10:21:20 AM »
RPG?  :shock: as in it?
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Re: Rocket launcher acquisition (PA)
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2011, 10:56:02 AM »
What first came to mind as to what said weapon was that it was the Armbrust.  It had recently procured in smaller quantities before and it is being made by an ally, Singapore.



Then again, the Armbrust is a recoilless rifle. The propellant is in the launcher not the projectile. Both the Meejuh and GPh-released Lit mention newly-procured weapons to be a rocket-propelled grenade

Furthermore, Singapore is replacing them with the MATADOR (below). I've seen 2 vids of the weapon being demonstrated:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2MNSTJOwAI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHx9rneYL88

The 1st vid by Discovery channel said it's a rocket. In the 2nd vid (produced for/by the Singaporean Military), it was described as a development of the Armbrust. The Singaporean-Israeli MATADOR borrows the folding grip, trigger and sight of its predecessor. According to the Singaporean Vid, it helps Armbrusters transition easily and it also has a mechanical firing mechanism.

Could this be the RPG we bought?

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Re: Rocket launcher acquisition (PA)
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2011, 02:32:22 AM »
PA rocket launcher project . . . made public.


If the reporter is correct in quoting Gen. Ortiz, then the units are re-usable rocket launchers because it made mention of inclusion of ammunition. unlike the AT-4 and the Armbrust, both of which are disposable rocket launchers like the current LAW the PA is using.

The SMAW the RPG 7, matador,and  panzerfaust 3. :ninja: btw, did this one not go through bidding? No documents disclosed??!

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Re: Rocket launcher acquisition (PA)
« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2011, 07:15:39 AM »
RPG?  :shock: as in it?

The SMAW the RPG 7, matador,and  panzerfaust 3. :ninja: btw, did this one not go through bidding? No documents disclosed??!

Shoulder-tap: These will be RPG-7s acquired through a government-to-government transaction. They will arrive mid-year.
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Re: Rocket launcher acquisition (PA)
« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2011, 10:10:34 AM »
Sir A, just to clarify.  Is this 355 rocket launchers units a separate deal from this 33-pcs mulitpurpose launcher?

http://www.timawa.net/forum/index.php?topic=25534.0

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Re: Rocket launcher acquisition (PA)
« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2011, 10:37:32 AM »
There were two projects in the projects list last year. So it may be separate. Still clarifying.

Its not impossible that that project was discontinued.
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Re: Rocket launcher acquisition (PA)
« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2011, 10:39:48 AM »
thanks.  well I hope they're separate.  the more (launchers) the merrier.  :thumbsup:

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Re: Rocket launcher acquisition (PA)
« Reply #12 on: March 25, 2011, 03:18:39 PM »
Sir A, just to clarify.  Is this 355 rocket launchers units a separate deal from this 33-pcs mulitpurpose launcher?

http://www.timawa.net/forum/index.php?topic=25534.0

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This project above is apparently for the PMC. So it is separate from the 355-rocket project which is for the Army.
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Re: Rocket launcher acquisition (PA)
« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2011, 09:59:56 PM »
Shoulder-tap: These will be RPG-7s acquired through a government-to-government transaction. They will arrive mid-year.

 :D So then our military will be purchasing and using RPG 7's despite the long drawn out discussions in the "why not use the RPG 7" thread......hahahahahaha.

What's made them change their minds? or was it just us armchair generals who were divided?

 :beer: personally, I hope nobody again brings forth the argument that they won't buy the stuff because it might fall into enemy hands etc....

Congratulations AFP. :beer:

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Re: Rocket launcher acquisition (PA)
« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2011, 10:11:31 PM »
What's made them change their minds? or was it just us armchair generals who were divided?

There have always been individuals in the service that felt the AFP could use them. As Robert Kaplan wrote in Imperial Grunts

About five years ago the following assessment was offered by a US Army observer about the AFP (from Kaplan's Imperial Grunts):

"Because the ASG has RPGs, the AFP says it needs RPGs, too.

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As for past objections on the forum, here's a reminder of what the old issues were:

The expeller charge in an RPG-7 is extremely sensitive to moisture.  Not a problem in Iraq or Afghanistan but it will be a problem in the Philippines.  The propellant charge in the RPG-2 which the MILF use is less vulnerable to moisture than that of the -7.  If you notice pictures of armed groups in Burma, you'll see a few pics of RPG-7 launchers with RPG-2 rounds in them.  They keep better.  It also works well for the users that the firing pin arrangements are the same in both weapons.

Also not as big a problem but the RPG-7 round flies into a crosswind, that will take some getting used to.  It has to do with the sustainer nozzles being just behind the warhead and the fins way in the back.

Crosswind issues are manageable.  If they fix the propellant problem or if the grenadiers can store the rounds properly, and get used to assembling the rounds only before loading and firing, then the RPG may be OK.

might be OT.. but i heared from a first hand source several months ago that the NPA unit operating in an area where rains are frequent is not really happy with the RPG2/B40 knock-offs that they bought from the MILF... something about failure of rounds to launch because the propellants tend to moist due to humidity and rainshowers...

but well... if we can have those modern RPGs with thermobaric rounds... why not?  :nuts:

Apparently . . . the Army found a source of versions of these rounds and launchers that work around these issues better. A number of interesting developments in the "RPG community" have happened in the past couple of years. RPGs aren't just made in Russia or China anymore.
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