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Retitled: Who was Gregorio del Pilar
« Reply #15 on: May 18, 2011, 12:06:10 AM »
There is another reason why the boy general failed to defend the pass, and he is to be blamed. Nevertheless, he is now our hero and PF-15 was named after him.
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Retitled: Who was Gregorio del Pilar
« Reply #16 on: May 18, 2011, 12:33:01 AM »
He was betrayed by fellow Filipino who shows a passage to flanked the Generals force.

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« Reply #17 on: May 18, 2011, 01:08:26 AM »
Just a question, dude... Are you a Filipino because every Filipino even the young ones knew who Gen. Gregorio Del Pilar is. Why he was part of Philippine History.

He could not be part of History for nothing. He also could not be "putok sa buho" or for the sake lang na ilagay lang pangalan niya because trip lang ng author ng libro..

to your argument na iba iba ang version ng history (As I said, history itself has many versions) , well, I disagree on that because as far as the issue of Gen. Del Pilar because all History books mentioned him as the hero of Tirad Pass. They are consistent on that issue.

I wonder from what school are studying and I wonder who is your History Professor?

Kaya impossible na di mo mabasa si Gregorio del Pilar sa History books..... :angry:
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« Reply #18 on: May 18, 2011, 01:32:50 AM »
Just a question, dude... Are you a Filipino because every Filipino even the young ones knew who Gen. Gregorio Del Pilar is. Why he was part of Philippine History.

He could not be part of History for nothing. He also could not be "putok sa buho" or for the sake lang na ilagay lang pangalan niya because trip lang ng author ng libro..

to your argument na iba iba ang version ng history (As I said, history itself has many versions) , well, I disagree on that because as far as the issue of Gen. Del Pilar because all History books mentioned him as the hero of Tirad Pass. They are consistent on that issue.

I wonder from what school are studying and I wonder who is your History Professor?

Kaya impossible na di mo mabasa si Gregorio del Pilar sa History books..... :angry:

Pañero, baka nga di sila Pinoy.... :jeez:
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« Reply #19 on: May 18, 2011, 01:42:50 AM »
There is another reason why the boy general failed to defend the pass, and he is to be blamed. Nevertheless, he is now our hero and PF-15 was named after him.

At age 22, he is fairly young to be given such a great responsibility. He did not have the same training that our platoon leaders now have. He was brave enough to give it his all to the point of death. What more can we ask?

On the point of history, there is a special place inside a ship that they place his picture and a brief history of his deeds.  That is why it is important to get the most accurate account.

Unless one is a history major, discussion on the life of Gen Gregorio del Pilar and the Battle of Tirad Pass is only in passing.

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« Reply #20 on: May 18, 2011, 03:12:44 AM »
There is another reason why the boy general failed to defend the pass, and he is to be blamed. Nevertheless, he is now our hero and PF-15 was named after him.

Just for your information sir, Gen Del Pilar is my most favorite hero because at a young age he fights like any veterans of his time. He is a hero and it was not his fault the defenders of the pass was defeated. It was because of another person, a traitor, who got them all killed.

And I'll second to sir RCB, I really dont think you are a Filipino because you dont know the history of one of the most famous general of this country. :2pistols:
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« Reply #21 on: May 18, 2011, 05:47:47 AM »
Case Unclose - Gregorio Del Pilar

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« Reply #22 on: May 18, 2011, 11:30:27 AM »
Just a question, dude... Are you a Filipino because every Filipino even the young ones knew who Gen. Gregorio Del Pilar is. Why he was part of Philippine History.
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Kaya impossible na di mo mabasa si Gregorio del Pilar sa History books..... :angry:

Not trying to defend talent_ed, pero sigurado ka?? Kasi as I posted earlier, collegiate contestants on Pinoy henyo thinks Gen Goyo was a President and kept on saying yes when asked over and over. The emcee even commented that she should be in elem school!  :jeez:

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Re: Retitled: Who was Gregorio del Pilar?
« Reply #23 on: May 18, 2011, 01:39:14 PM »
Guys,

Let's take Talented_Ed's call for information at face value.

This was the name chosen for the first major ship acquisition in years. It is only fitting that we take the time to reflect on what we think we know about the man . . . and how far our image of him is from the truth.

How much of what we know comes from books written by, or derived from the works of, the historian Zaide, whose research is now questioned by more recent historians?

Nick Joaquin has interesting views on the boy general in his "A Question of Heroes"

Indeed. Him and many of our other heroes. I really have to get my own copy of that book.

Parts of it are mentioned in this blog entry

http://filipinoscribbles.wordpress.com/2009/11/14/gregorio-del-pilar-a-victim-of-tirad-pass/
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Re: Retitled: Who was Gregorio del Pilar
« Reply #24 on: May 18, 2011, 06:20:51 PM »
Just for your information sir, Gen Del Pilar is my most favorite hero because at a young age he fights like any veterans of his time. He is a hero and it was not his fault the defenders of the pass was defeated. It was because of another person, a traitor, who got them all killed. quote]



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Re: Retitled: Who was Gregorio del Pilar?
« Reply #25 on: May 18, 2011, 10:38:07 PM »
Talent_ed has a point. One thing that I have noticed thus far is that we are fond of naming ships, vehicles, streets and buildings after people in order to remember them. Let time pass and how many of us recognize who those people were aside from the fact that their names appeared on ships, vehicles, streets or buildings. We tend to forget what they did for us rather we remember them as this ship, vehicle, street or building.
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Re: Retitled: Who was Gregorio del Pilar?
« Reply #26 on: May 19, 2011, 10:29:44 AM »
sinuwerte laang... IMHO

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Re: Retitled: Who was Gregorio del Pilar?
« Reply #27 on: May 19, 2011, 09:48:02 PM »
We all know who was Gen. del Pilar and how he defended Tirad Pass, but do we really know what happened to his mortal remains after he was killed?

American Press Release mentioned that he was so admired by his American adversaries that they gave him a hero's burial at Tirad Pass. I believe this was also echoed by Zaide. Oral History though is way different. But before we get to it, allow me to share what I read somewhere else. In it, it was said that after he was killed and identified by the Americans, they started pulling on the buttons and other accessories of his white uniform including the general's belt and boots. They buried him alright but not after his mortal remains started to smell. There were no military honors, just a poncho wrap and a hastily dug grave with no markings.

Oral History says he was killed after the last of his men ran away from the fight despite his command for them to stand their ground. This was after a second pass was revealed to the Americans by an Igorot which allowed them to attack Gen. del Pilar's defense line from the rear. Anyway after he was killed, the Americans treated his body as a war booty and started picking souvenirs from his white uniform. They left his body where he fell. After stray dogs began feasting on his fast decaying body, local folks dug a shallow grave and buried what remained of his mortal remains.

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Re: Retitled: Who was Gregorio del Pilar?
« Reply #28 on: May 20, 2011, 12:03:06 AM »
http://filipinoscribbles.wordpress.com/2009/11/14/gregorio-del-pilar-a-victim-of-tirad-pass/

And according to the diary of Telesforo Carrasco y Pérez, a Spaniard enlisted in Aguinaldo/del Pilar’s army, the boy general, who in stories was said to have died heroically and fighting to the last bullet, died due to his own carelessness:

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    “At dawn we saw the enemy climbing the slope and moments later the firing began in the first entrenchment, which was under Lieutenant Braulio. At around nine in the morning two Igorots climbed to the peak and told the general that the Americans had suffered losses at the first entrenchment and could not advance. Heartened by the news, the general decided that we were to descend in his company and take part in the combat.

    “This we did and an hour later found ourselves where nine soldiers were defending the left flank of the mountain in the second entrenchment. Hardly had we got there when we saw the Americans climbing up, only fifteen meters away, whereupon the soldiers started firing again.

    “The general could not see the enemy because of the cogon grass and he ordered a halt to the firing. At that moment I was handling him a carbine and warning him that the Americans were directing their fire at him and that he should crouch down because his life was in danger — and that moment he was hit by a bullet in the neck that caused instant death.”

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Re: Retitled: Who was Gregorio del Pilar?
« Reply #29 on: May 20, 2011, 12:21:38 AM »
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Del Pilars body rested exposed for days without a burial. While re-tracking the trail, an American officer, Lt. Dennis P. Quinlan, ordered his men to give honor to the fallen but valorous foe. General del Pilar was finally given a traditional U.S. military burial. Upon his tombstone, Lt. Quinlan inscribed:

"An Officer and a Gentleman"..
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