Author Topic: Retitled: BRP Ramon A Alcaraz (PF-16) - ex USCGC Dallas [WHEC-716]  (Read 759835 times)

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Re: Retitled: BRP Ramon A Alcaraz - ex USCGC Dallas [WHEC-716]
« Reply #420 on: May 16, 2012, 07:12:31 PM »
Sending trainers from America to the Phil wou :beer:ld be more expensive. Remember these guys are paid top dollars. Overseas assignment s are costly.

Compare that to sending 90+ Filipino sailors whose expenses in the US (food, lodging, etc.) would also be in dollars.

Having the training done in the Philippines, and the resulting transfer of training equipment (e.g., simulators) would be tantamount to teaching our own trainers "how to fish". This would be an investment in the future.
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Re: Retitled: BRP Ramon A Alcaraz - ex USCGC Dallas [WHEC-716]
« Reply #421 on: May 16, 2012, 07:46:50 PM »
Sending trainers from America to the Phil wou :beer:ld be more expensive. Remember these guys are paid top dollars. Overseas assignment s are costly.

cp - here's a rough breakdown of associated costs

1) The trainer has to be paid a salary regardless of where they go
2) PN personnel have to be paid regardless of where they go

If the training is done in the RP
- transportation, lodging, and per diem expense for trainer(s)
- no other associated expense for PN personnel
- equipment transfer to PN
- training the trainers will establish a cadre of PN SMEs

If training is done in the US
- no lodging or per diem expenses for trainers
- lodging and per diem expenses for a number of PN trainees
- training equipment remains in the US
- will require sending new trainees to the US repeatedly

All that said. I still think PN crews can learn to operate and somewhat maintain the systems that may come with the Alcaraz. Additional follow-on training can be set up in the Philippines.
« Last Edit: May 16, 2012, 09:20:17 PM by Ignatius1@TMW »

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Re: Retitled: BRP Ramon A Alcaraz - ex USCGC Dallas [WHEC-716]
« Reply #422 on: May 16, 2012, 08:19:25 PM »
If we go by the no. of trainees much better we do it in our country simply because of no volume restriction' it would likewise advantage to us.i re-affirmed to Sir A.(it's a investment)the price that we have to pay...

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Re: Retitled: BRP Ramon A Alcaraz - ex USCGC Dallas [WHEC-716]
« Reply #423 on: May 17, 2012, 06:58:22 PM »
As for the turnover notice of the cutter Dallas, will it come from the consular office in Atlanta?
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Re: Retitled: BRP Ramon A Alcaraz - ex USCGC Dallas [WHEC-716]
« Reply #424 on: May 17, 2012, 09:23:01 PM »
According to this: http://globalnation.inquirer.net/37235/japan-eyes-maritime-aid-for-philippine-defense, Gen. Dellosa said the turnover of the Dallas will be on May 22.

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Re: Retitled: BRP Ramon A Alcaraz - ex USCGC Dallas [WHEC-716]
« Reply #425 on: May 18, 2012, 10:04:02 PM »
AFP chief to receive 2nd US patrol ship
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/05/19/12/afp-chief-receive-2nd-us-patrol-ship
WASHINGTON D.C. -  Philippine Armed Forces chief Gen. Jessie Dellosa will formally accept delivery of the US Coast Guard high-endurance cutter USCGC Dallas in Charleston, South Carolina on Tuesday (May 22).

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The “Dallas” is equipped with an Oto Melara 76mm gun and two 25mm “Bushmaster” machineguns. However, officials tell ABS-CBN News that like the “Hamilton” the US is stripping down most of the modern gear aboard, especially the sophisticated radars and sensors, despite an appeal from top Philippine officials to keep the advanced equipment.

Well at least she armed. I hope the P.N. provide some advanced radar from other country.
« Last Edit: May 18, 2012, 10:07:46 PM by Beam magnum »

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Re: Retitled: BRP Ramon A Alcaraz - ex USCGC Dallas [WHEC-716]
« Reply #426 on: May 18, 2012, 11:37:29 PM »
AFP chief to receive 2nd US patrol ship
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/05/19/12/afp-chief-receive-2nd-us-patrol-ship
WASHINGTON D.C. -  Philippine Armed Forces chief Gen. Jessie Dellosa will formally accept delivery of the US Coast Guard high-endurance cutter USCGC Dallas in Charleston, South Carolina on Tuesday (May 22).

Well at least she armed. I hope the P.N. provide some advanced radar from other country.

So the Mk.38 Mod.0 25mm guns remain. There is still time for the PH government to  push for its appeal to retain the SPS-40 and Mk.15 Phalanx as the ship stays stateside until later this year. But don't expect it to happen so there will be no hard feelings.

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Re: Retitled: BRP Ramon A Alcaraz - ex USCGC Dallas [WHEC-716]
« Reply #427 on: May 19, 2012, 04:35:42 AM »
So the Mk.38 Mod.0 25mm guns remain. There is still time for the PH government to  push for its appeal to retain the SPS-40 and Mk.15 Phalanx as the ship stays stateside until later this year. But don't expect it to happen so there will be no hard feelings.

Indeed, yet still no official confirmation from PN. Even if they're gonna strip it down like the GOYO, dapat no hard feelings. Might be just a blessing in disguise. Still hoping that big bro will leave it intact.
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Re: Retitled: BRP Ramon A Alcaraz - ex USCGC Dallas [WHEC-716]
« Reply #428 on: May 19, 2012, 07:50:40 AM »
So the Mk.38 Mod.0 25mm guns remain. There is still time for the PH government to  push for its appeal to retain the SPS-40 and Mk.15 Phalanx as the ship stays stateside until later this year. But don't expect it to happen so there will be no hard feelings.

Why not just offer to buy those weapons instead of continually begging. Ph officials should realize begging isnt working. They begged the SoKor president recently, begged Hillary and Leon but so far no dice. Stop hoping for freebies. Freeloaders don't get anywhere.

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Re: Retitled: BRP Ramon A Alcaraz - ex USCGC Dallas [WHEC-716]
« Reply #429 on: May 19, 2012, 05:01:38 PM »
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Why not just offer to buy those weapons instead of continually begging. Ph officials should realize begging isnt working. They begged the SoKor president recently, begged Hillary and Leon but so far no dice. Stop hoping for freebies. Freeloaders don't get anywhere.

I agree. Why not sacrifice there money instead of begging. I see a lot of imported fancy cars drive by a son of congressman or senators and now they begging for free.


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Re: Retitled: BRP Ramon A Alcaraz - ex USCGC Dallas [WHEC-716]
« Reply #430 on: May 19, 2012, 05:23:40 PM »
The Phalanx is not going to be given out for free
They are dismounting these to mount on new coast Guard or Navy Ships
Being built. If it saves them money they will hang on to it

I think its best to start looking to buy a new phalanx or like system

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Re: Retitled: BRP Ramon A Alcaraz - ex USCGC Dallas [WHEC-716]
« Reply #431 on: May 19, 2012, 09:05:13 PM »
goalkeeper ciws nalang sana ilagay kay goyo at alcaraz maganda rin siyang imount sa ibang brko natin.

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Re: Retitled: BRP Ramon A Alcaraz - ex USCGC Dallas [WHEC-716]
« Reply #432 on: May 20, 2012, 08:51:44 AM »
goalkeeper ciws nalang sana ilagay kay goyo at alcaraz maganda rin siyang imount sa ibang brko natin.

have you actually read up on the differences of both systems? aside of course from the obvious  difference in calibers.... have you read the previous posts? it would be nice if you skip the one-liners and give us why we should support your views.......

as it is, do you know that the Goalkeeper CIWS is 50% more heavy as compared to the Phalanx? or that the Goalkeeper needs 3.5+meters of deck penetration (in other words, it has to be embedded into the ship), while the Phalanx is a bolt on system with no deck penetration? have you really read the older posts in this thread? if you did, you would know that below where the Phalanx was placed is the gears for stearing the del Pilar (40niner even posted the schematics of the Hamilton class).

a little study before blurting anything would be nice to keep the discussion intelligent.......
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Re: Retitled: BRP Ramon A Alcaraz - ex USCGC Dallas [WHEC-716]
« Reply #433 on: May 20, 2012, 08:34:44 PM »
Why not just offer to buy those weapons instead of continually begging. Ph officials should realize begging isnt working. They begged the SoKor president recently, begged Hillary and Leon but so far no dice. Stop hoping for freebies. Freeloaders don't get anywhere.

I couldn't agree more!  Let's stop this mendicant mentality.  In my own simple way of understanding, if we can now afford 2 squadrons of LIFTS then surely we could afford to equip those 2 WHECS with CIWS.  Let's give those cutters a credible defense system, if possible ASAP.

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Re: Retitled: BRP Ramon A Alcaraz - ex USCGC Dallas [WHEC-716]
« Reply #434 on: May 20, 2012, 10:05:04 PM »
On Tuesday, May 22, at 13:00 Eastern time, which I believe will be 01:00 AM May 23, Manila time, ceremonies will begin to transfer the former USCGC Dallas to the Armed Forces of the Philippines.

http://charleston.thedigitel.com/features/decommissioned-coast-guard-cutter-dallas-being-tra-39329-0518