Retitled: BRP Ramon A Alcaraz (PF-16) - ex USCGC Dallas [WHEC-716]

[40niner_com]

QFT, @12th.

(As earlier posted) These issues were / had been / or continued to be discussed on the previous threads dedicated to del Pilar FOC -- PF-15 :

I believe that all post and comments regarding uparming and upgrading the BRP Alcaraz should be posted to the related threads summarized here:

 Thread index to BRP Gregorio del Pilar (PF-15) discussions

Hope everyone could cooperate to keep this thread cleaner for better appreciation and reference.

@rbcrecto -- The 40mm Dardo system had been discussed at the uparming the PF-15 thread.  Let's redirect our discussions there. 

[phichanad]

As compared to the BRP Gregorio del Pilar, it seems more difficult to obtain updates and photos for the BRP Ramon Alcaraz. Somehow maybe because there are more Filipinos in California than in South Carolina....

Anyway, any new photos out there? I miss the time @ Timawa where we get updated on the ship thru updated photos, from hand-over to sailing out of California.

[Adroth]

As compared to the BRP Gregorio del Pilar, it seems more difficult to obtain updates and photos for the BRP Ramon Alcaraz. Somehow maybe because there are more Filipinos in California than in South Carolina....

It also doesn't help that the PF-16 is inside a base that isn't readily visible from the outside. Check the photo below. The circle is where the WHECs at Charleston are docked. Coast Guard Island, where the Hamilton was, was right next to a public marina.

[dry ice]

Artillery?

THE government has allotted funds to buy artillery to rearm the second Hamilton-class cutter that was sold by the United States government to the Philippines without its weapons system, Navy chief Vice Admiral Alexander Pama said Friday.

From: http://news.manilastandardtoday.com/2012/06/23/navy-to-rearm-2nd-us-made-cutter/

[Pudge]

Artillery?

From: http://news.manilastandardtoday.com/2012/06/23/navy-to-rearm-2nd-us-made-cutter/

MEEJAAA....    more like Amament systems than that so-called-artillery which are ground based weapons. 

[40niner_com]

In fairness -- technically, Artillery is a general term for weapons that launches projectiles.  Guns, howitzers, rockets are forms of artillery, be in land-based or naval-based.  Accordingly, guns (often times >20mm caliber in diameter) are sometimes refered to as artillery.  Every heard of the Triple-A or Anti-Aircraft Artillery based on 20mm installed on WWII warships?

[redcomet_m]

yea, im thinking they must have put bushmasters on alcaraz. regarding the radar systems and hopefully missiles im betting it will be based on our deal with the italians.

[Pudge]

In fairness -- technically, Artillery is a general term for weapons that launches projectiles.  Guns, howitzers, rockets are forms of artillery, be in land-based or naval-based.  Accordingly, guns (often times >20mm caliber in diameter) are sometimes refered to as artillery.  Every heard of the Triple-A or Anti-Aircraft Artillery based on 20mm installed on WWII warships?

then what appropriate term do we call these  Cannons/Bushmasters/AA Guns/CIWS or any non-missile weapons attached on a ship? just simply Guns within a gunboat?

[40niner_com]

Yes, they have bought a couple of Mk.38 25mm Bushmasters. One for Alcaraz, the other will be for del Pilar

http://www.timawa.net/forum/index.php?topic=28980.msg314855#msg314855

then what appropriate term do we call these  Cannons/Bushmasters/AA Guns/CIWS or any non-missile weapons attached on a ship? just simply Guns within a gunboat?

-- their generic term is naval artillery.

[Chuck Hill]

Are the Mk38s going to be the older unstabilized mounts or the newer stabilized, remotely controllable Mk38 mod2s?

The mod2s are a big step up: http://cgblog.org/2010/05/31/mk38mod2-25-mm-more-than-just-a-gun/

[Juramentado]

Probably not the Mod2, although that would be a pleasant surprise. A lot more of the funding should go to sensors and comms suite to replace what was removed on turnover, so we may have to do with a manual mount.

Edited to change Mk2 to Mod2.

[gemini1]

Probably make more sense (logistics) if they got the same MK38 that was mounted on the Jacintos, and slave it (if doable) to the main FCS of the main gun. 

[Chuck Hill]

Probably make more sense (logistics) if they got the same MK38 that was mounted on the Jacintos, and slave it (if doable) to the main FCS of the main gun. 

Unfortunately not an option.

[40niner_com]

Probably make more sense (logistics) if they got the same MK38 that was mounted on the Jacintos, and slave it (if doable) to the main FCS of the main gun. 

Hi Gem,

It's not a Mk 38 (Mk 88 mount) that is installed on the JCPV, but rather the MSI mount, integrated to work with Radamec optotronic fcs.  Both systems, though, mounts the M242 25mm cannon

[gemini1]

^ Ops, sorry my bad. I meant the same 25mm gun mount on the Jacintos. Now are these types of guns possible to slave with the existing FCS of the GDP or Alcaraz? Mr Chuck Hill?