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60mm Mortar Acquisition Project
« on: November 06, 2011, 03:15:58 PM »
This apparently wasn't a typo. Since there was no thread specifically for it . . . time to add it.

The military will also acquire necessary weapons and communication equipment, such as for the Philippine Army—1,376 handheld radios, 210 AV configuration radios and 100 base radios, as well as 150 mortars (60mm); and for the Philippine Air Force—78 units of audio-video equipment, 160 portable radio receivers, 100 sniper rifle systems and 2,000 standard weapons systems.

To prevent abuse of the funds, Budget Secretary Florencio Abad said the military is required submit a comprehensive report on the implementation status of the AFP Modernization Program.

According to last years mid-year PMR the original project, started in June 2008, P264,680,000.00. This eventually was declared a failed bid.
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Re: 60mm Mortar Acquisition Project
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2011, 08:32:15 PM »
That failed bid was supposed to be for the supply of 81mm mortars right? Was any reason given for the failed bid?

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Re: 60mm Mortar Acquisition Project
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2011, 11:52:05 PM »
That failed bid was supposed to be for the supply of 81mm mortars right? Was any reason given for the failed bid?

old news but the answer to your question..
circa 2009

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“The military cannot afford the loss of lives due to the failure of ammunition. It is the lives of our soldiers and the civilian populace that are at stake here and we give importance to the quality of our war materiel especially our ammunition,” Ibrado continued.

Records showed that about 30,000 rounds of 60 mm and 81 mm mortar ammunition were delivered by Israel-based ammunition dealer, Talon Security Consulting and Trade Ltd. on April 15 and Dec. 30, 2009 from Serbia.

The Technical Inspection and Acceptance Committee, led by Col. Arnolfo Palmea, personally scrutinized and tested the ammunition supply prior to delivery.

Ibrado earlier said the ammunition had passed quality tests before their shipment to the Philippines. But supposed inconsistencies were discovered during the second round of inspection when the ammunition supply arrived in the country.

Among the inconsistencies found were markings of an 82 mm mortar instead of the 81 mm ammo specified by the military. The fuses of some of the weapons were those for 120 mm mortars, according to Teodoro’s spokesperson, Nelson Victorino.

But AFP spokesperson Lt. Col. Romeo Brawner Jr. said Talon could have delivered the corresponding weapon in the intergovernmental military alliance, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO).

“The contract stated our specifications but it also said that the supplier can deliver the NATO equivalent,” Brawner told reporters Wednesday.


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Re: 60mm Mortar Acquisition Project
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2011, 11:57:56 PM »
necro post...kindly correct- state that this is olds and post the date because at first glance you would think Gen iBRADO WAS STILL cs... :jeez:

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Re: 60mm Mortar Acquisition Project
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2011, 12:00:03 AM »
necro post...kindly correct- state that this is olds and post the date because at first glance you would think Gen iBRADO WAS STILL cs... :jeez:
sorry boss..rectfied. :bash:
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Re: 60mm Mortar Acquisition Project
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2011, 06:13:42 AM »
old news but the answer to your question..
circa 2009


Not really.  This is about 81mm mortar ammunition and not the mortar tubes themselves. 

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Re: 60mm Mortar Acquisition Project
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2011, 06:17:10 AM »
old news but the answer to your question..
circa 2009


This is related to the supply of munitions for existing mortars, not the new mortars.

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Re: 60mm Mortar Acquisition Project
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2011, 10:29:14 AM »
This is related to the supply of munitions for existing mortars, not the new mortars.

We were never really able to to spot the bid invitation for the 60mm mortar project, so we didn't get any details. Based on the long-overdue-for-an-update Procurement Monitoring Report for the DND on the GPPB Website, this project proceeded as follows:


DateActivity
June 25, 2008Pre-Procurement Conference. Approved Budget for Contract (ABC): P264,680,000.00
November 29, 2008Publication of Invitation to Apply for Eligibility and to Bid (IAETB) at Philippine Daily Inquirer, PhilGEPS, and DND Websites
December 8, 2008Pre-bid conference
January 5, 2009Bid opening. Only three bidders participated in the bid opening:
  
    
  • Talon Joavi Energtek for Talon Security Consulting and Trade Ltd
  • Direct Mark Corp.
  • Dynamit Nobel Balkan Ltd    


DND BAC Resolution No. AFPMP-60mm-09-001. DND BAC declared Dolarian Capital Inc., and Dynamit Nobel Balkan Ltd. as Ineligible to Bid and Talon Security Consulting and Trade Ltd. as the Lowest Calculated Bidder (LCB) for the project

  
January 7, 2009 Dolarian Capital Inc. and Dynamit Nobel Balkan Ltd file for Motions for Reconsideration
January 15, 2009 DND BAC denied motions for reconsideration:

    
  • DND BAC Resolution No. AFPMP-60mm-09-002: Dolarian Capital
  • DND BAC Resolution No. AFPMP-60mm-09-003: Dynamit Nobel Balkan Ltd


DND BAC Resolution No. AFPMP-60mm-09-004. DND BAC directed the conduct of Post Qualification of Talon Security Consulting and Trade Ltd. as the Lowest Calculated Bidder (LCB) for the said project
  
January 29, 2009 DND BAC Resolution No. AFPMP-60mm-09-005. DND BAC declared Talon Security Consulting and Trade Ltd as the Lowest Calculated Responsive Bidder (LCRB) for the project and recommended the issuance of a Notice of Award (NOA) in its favor.
March 31, 2009 Declaration of Failure of Bidding. Approved and signed by SND.

Note that the company that was initially declared the Lowest Calculated Responsive Bidder was the same company that was involved in the 81mm ammo project . . . as well as an older 81mm mortar project (DND BAC Resolution No. AFPMP-81mm-09-001).

While it is tempting to associate all these cancellations, there is no clear-cut paper trail that demonstrates that they in fact are related.

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The 60mm project currently in progress is a "re-thought" effort that is currently part of the 2011 CUP list. It also has a smaller ABC.
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Re: 60mm Mortar Acquisition Project
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2011, 09:13:03 PM »
Not really.  This is about 81mm mortar ammunition and not the mortar tubes themselves. 
This is related to the supply of munitions for existing mortars, not the new mortars.

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Re: 60mm Mortar Acquisition Project
« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2015, 03:02:44 AM »
Saw this in RDC, ASCOM, PA's Facebook page, a locally made 60mm mortar designated M75.





Browsing on some army photos, I noticed it looks similar to what they used in the Zamboanga Siege





But i haven't found much regarding this mortar. All open sources of Philippine Army inventory doesn't list this type too. All I see are US made M2 and M19 mortars from WW2 era, which doesn't look like what the army used in Zamboanga.

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Re: 60mm Mortar Acquisition Project
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2015, 03:37:15 AM »
Curious. During the 118th Army anniversary display, I saw what looked like an M2 with that same type of tripod on it in place of the original bipod. I assumed it was a locally-fabricated replacement of some sort.



Looking at it again, it seems to be an M75 with the base plate from an M2.

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Re: 60mm Mortar Acquisition Project
« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2015, 04:09:22 AM »
It does look like a M75 without the nozzle ring and a square base plate similar to the M2.

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Re: 60mm Mortar Acquisition Project
« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2015, 07:24:15 AM »
I do remember we did used to export mortars.
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Re: 60mm Mortar Acquisition Project
« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2015, 05:59:12 PM »

Browsing on some army photos, I noticed it looks similar to what they used in the Zamboanga Siege





But i haven't found much regarding this mortar. All open sources of Philippine Army inventory doesn't list this type too. All I see are US made M2 and M19 mortars from WW2 era, which doesn't look like what the army used in Zamboanga.

Strange that they are not using any sights.
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« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2015, 07:12:56 PM »
Parang "tira chamba" lang.. seriously?


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