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Re: Looking at Italian equipment?
« Reply #555 on: June 20, 2012, 09:49:59 PM »
PH Air Force also wants Russian, Italian, UK fighter jets
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/06/20/12/ph-air-force-also-wants-russian-italian-uk-fighter-jets

So we may not end up with the TA-50 as our main A2A asset?  The article puts the "fighter" acquisition in the same time frame with the TA-50 delivery.
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Re: Looking at Italian equipment?
« Reply #556 on: June 20, 2012, 10:08:17 PM »
I was wondering if these were the 'surprise' this forumer that starts with 'z' in that "other Philippines Defense Forces Forum" was teasing.

Hi Mr Booger.  I used to lurk in PDFF myself until last year.  Is this the same 'Z' who 'teased' everybody that the PAF was going to get F/A-18's by the end of 2011 (or early 2012) c/o his 'classmate' whom he said was serving in some branch of the US Armed Forces?  If that's the case, let's take his 'tease' with tons of salt. 

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Re: Looking at Italian equipment?
« Reply #557 on: June 20, 2012, 10:51:18 PM »

So we may not end up with the TA-50 as our main A2A asset?  The article puts the "fighter" acquisition in the same time frame with the TA-50 delivery.


IMHO, maybe the '12 fighter jets' referred to in the article are the same TA-50's SND had already said we're acquiring?  After all, isn't a TA-50 arguably a jet fighter, albeit of the lightweight kind?


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Defense Assistant Secretary Patrick Velez told The STAR the jet fighters would be acquired from suppliers based in South Korea, Italy, United Kingdom and Russia.

I think this is the confusing part.  If the TA-50 had indeed already been chosen, why did Def.Ass.Sec. Velez still mention Italy (Master), United Kingdom (Hawk), and Russia (Mitten) in the news article? 

Did he mean that the worst suspicions of some of us here are true - that the TA-50 isn't truly a done deal yet? 

Or did he mean that, in addition to the TA-50, we're also planning to get another LIFT squadron from another country?  (Though I don't think that'd make sense, at any level...)

Or was Mr Shorty_1972 really on to something there when he speculated (based on PNoy's statements) that another squadron - this time MRFs - might be forthcoming?  In that case, mentioning South Korea (FA-50/surp F-5's), Italy (surp EF2000T1/Tornado), UK (surp EF2000T1/Tornado), and Russia (SU-27/30) would then make sense - though a bit unrealistic, except for the FA-50 IMHO.

Or could this just be another case of media brain fart?   :eyes:

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Re: Looking at Italian equipment?
« Reply #558 on: June 20, 2012, 11:11:55 PM »
my brains getting fried with all this unconfirmed information coming from the news, net, forums etc etc... let just all wait for the official announcement... :eyes:
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Re: Looking at Italian equipment?
« Reply #559 on: July 07, 2012, 09:52:21 PM »
PHL, Italy reinforce strategic ties DFA

July 8, 2012 10:11am
 
The Philippines and Italy reaffirmed their strategic ties after a visit by a 15-member Philippine team to Rome to strengthen political and security relations between the two countries late last month.

Sent by the Department of National Defense (DND) at the invitation of the Italian Ministry of Defense, the 15-member Joint Visual Inspection (JVI) team followed up discussions on further strengthening political and security ties.

"Various calls and meetings were also conducted with relevant Italian officials. The group made a call on Brigadier General Pintus, the Commanding General of the Artillery Regiment; Colonel Scarcella, representative of the MOD; and Major Millazzo, Major Torre and Lt. Colonel Quaglierro together with Mr. Gerry of Oto Melara," the Department of Foreign Affairs said.

It said the visit was conducted from June 18 to 27.

During its visit, the team visited the Italian Defense Office (MOD) as well as other command artillery and warehouses and operational exhibits.

Also, the team made a courtesy call on Philippine Ambassador to Italy Virgilio Reyes Jr. LBG, GMA News

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/264611/pinoyabroad/news/phl-italy-reinforce-strategic-ties-mdash-dfa

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Re: Looking at Italian equipment?
« Reply #560 on: July 07, 2012, 10:37:00 PM »
the news would have been more spicier if someone from MBDA or Selex came. Anyway its good to know.

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Re: Looking at Italian equipment?
« Reply #561 on: July 07, 2012, 11:33:11 PM »
It looks like the Italian armored assets are moving to the Philippines. Not to mention arty... Very nice.

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Re: Looking at Italian equipment?
« Reply #562 on: July 08, 2012, 06:14:45 AM »
Are they looking for an armored asset with big guns?

B1 Centauro.
http://www.military-today.com/artillery/centauro_b1.htm

or why not go to Spain?
ASCOD 105
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Or Sweden with their CV 90120
http://www.military-today.com/tanks/cv90120t.htm

Anyway these are just my thoughts, I dont want this to turn to "What ifs" and "Fantasies".  :lol:

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Re: Looking at Italian equipment?
« Reply #563 on: July 08, 2012, 06:58:20 AM »
Army has long been looking into the tank destroyer concept. They settled on the Centauro awhile back... so if the Italians make that available, then all bets are off.

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Re: Looking at Italian equipment?
« Reply #564 on: July 08, 2012, 07:46:04 AM »
i was looking more into their FH70s and the Dardos. But if they are considering the Centauro, that would be great!

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Re: Looking at Italian equipment?
« Reply #565 on: July 08, 2012, 09:41:30 AM »
tell me the leopards would not be included for that.... :(
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Re: Looking at Italian equipment?
« Reply #566 on: July 08, 2012, 03:36:22 PM »
  Most likely candidate for the PA. The VCC (M113) APC of the Italian Army.


« Last Edit: July 08, 2012, 03:41:26 PM by Sandy »

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Re: Looking at Italian equipment?
« Reply #567 on: July 08, 2012, 03:39:04 PM »
About the VCC1

http://www.timawa.net/forum/index.php?topic=30307.0

  Most likely candidate for the PA. The VCC (M113) APC of the Italian Army.


« Last Edit: July 08, 2012, 03:46:46 PM by Adroth »
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Re: Looking at Italian equipment?
« Reply #568 on: July 08, 2012, 04:28:50 PM »
« Last Edit: July 08, 2012, 04:33:06 PM by horge »
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Re: Looking at Italian equipment?
« Reply #569 on: July 08, 2012, 06:04:10 PM »
VCC 1, aka 'Camillino' is the italian version of the M113 and has received additional armor modules on the hull sides and light turret for .50.  It actually looks like the AIFV hull, sans the bulbous front.

The full M-113 look-alike is known as VCC 2, which is also licensed-produced.
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