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Re: Retitled: Japanese patrol boats
« Reply #60 on: July 01, 2012, 07:01:18 AM »
they should allocate some of those 1.5 billion funds from malampaya to have a dry dock for themselves or have a joint funding with PN, and BFAR so all those related parties can use the docks for repair and other maintenance for our ships

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Philippines to get 12 new patrol boats from Japan
« Reply #61 on: July 29, 2012, 04:24:39 PM »
Unlike the decades-old and stripped-down ships the Philippines gets from the United States, the 12 patrol boats the Philippine Coast Guard will most likely get from Japan in 2014 “will all be brand-new,” according to a top official of the Japanese Embassy in Manila.
Minister Shinsuke Shimizu, head of the Japanese Embassy’s chancery, told the Philippine Daily Inquirer in an interview on Thursday that Japan and the Philippines had begun the paper work for the acquisition of the patrol boats by the Philippine Coast Guard.
Tokyo, Shimizu said, “has yet to decide which of the vessels will be built and transferred to the Philippine government on official development assistance or grants.”
Shimizu sought to assure the Philippines that Japan would continue to help the Coast Guard deal with its maritime safety and law enforcement problems.
The Japanese government has been helping the Philippine government modernize its Coast Guard since 1990.
Fifteen years ago, Japan gave the Philippine Coast Guard a search-and-rescue vessel that the agency named BRP Corregidor. The Corregidor was one of two Philippine vessels that faced off with Chinese maritime ships at Panatag Shoal (Scarborough Shoal) in the West Philippine Sea (South China Sea) from April 8 to June 15.
Foreign Secretary Albert del Rosario earlier told this paper that Japan was likely to provide the Coast Guard with 12 patrol boats.
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“They’re considering 10 40-meter boats on official development aid and two larger ones as grants,” Del Rosario said.
Shimizu said the assistance was not meant to help the Philippines establish a “minimum credible defense posture” to complement its diplomatic capacity in dealing with its territorial disputes with China in the West Philippine Sea.
“It is of different nature from establishing the minimum credible defense capabilities of the Philippines nor is it aimed at addressing a specific regional situation,” Shimizu said.
“It is cooperation for the purpose of dealing with various maritime safety and law enforcement issues, such as piracy and search and rescue,” he said.
The 12 patrol boats will be fitted with modern equipment when they are transferred to the Coast Guard, Shimizu said.

http://globalnation.inquirer.net/45953/philippines-to-get-12-new-patrol-boats-from-japan


Question: What's the difference between official development aid from grants? Does it mean that, they are going to give it to us for free or with discount?
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Re: Philippines to get 12 new patrol boats from Japan
« Reply #62 on: July 29, 2012, 05:14:33 PM »
Do mo Harigato Japan. I hope the Philippines will be proactive in alotting adequate budget for the maintainance of these boats.
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Re: Retitled: Japanese patrol boats
« Reply #63 on: July 29, 2012, 05:44:02 PM »
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Re: Retitled: Japanese patrol boats
« Reply #64 on: July 29, 2012, 07:35:02 PM »
After we receive these patrol boats, we should consider arming them with Oto Malera cannons and with some machine guns, just to have a minimum defense and offense capability. In the future they will be up against Chinese maritime surveillance vessels. Just my two cents :P :P :P

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Re: Retitled: Japanese patrol boats
« Reply #65 on: July 29, 2012, 07:38:49 PM »
After we receive these patrol boats, we should consider arming them with Oto Malera cannons and with some machine guns, just to have a minimum defense and offense capability. In the future they will be up against Chinese maritime surveillance vessels. Just my two cents :P :P :P

A medium-caliber, such as Oto Melara 76mm would require deck penetration and major design revision.   If such is the intent, design and preparation should already be incorporated on the plan and construction. Not after.  :)
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Re: Retitled: Japanese patrol boats
« Reply #66 on: July 29, 2012, 07:53:05 PM »
the US should be thanking the japanese for these ships.militarily,  it is in the former's best interest for us pinoys to acquire these patrol boats because more hulls for us means a more effective buffer zone between china's numerous houbei class missile boats and US assets in the pacific.

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Re: Retitled: Japanese patrol boats
« Reply #67 on: July 29, 2012, 07:55:18 PM »
Got it sir. Then maybe they incorporate it now. :D :D :D :D

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Re: Retitled: Japanese patrol boats
« Reply #68 on: July 29, 2012, 08:50:04 PM »
since the shiretoko class has been discussed already (it could be the ODA vessel that we may acquire, many of them to be decommed) the Bizan class would be the 40m boat that we will get new.

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Re: Retitled: Japanese patrol boats
« Reply #69 on: July 29, 2012, 10:21:27 PM »
since the shiretoko class has been discussed already (it could be the ODA vessel that we may acquire, many of them to be decommed) the Bizan class would be the 40m boat that we will get new.



sad to hear about that but wouldn't it be better if rather than decommissioning these shiretoko class, they should be included in the package with the newer bizan class. if some may think that the shiretoko class may not be useful in defending our country, they may still prove themselves as a good deterrent against smugglers and pirates

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Re: Retitled: Japanese patrol boats
« Reply #70 on: July 30, 2012, 01:44:46 AM »
PCG is a Civilian Agency... these Patrol Ships are for Maritime and Fisheries/Aquatic Resources Protection... to be also utilized against smugglers and pirates.

In the event that these boats do go face to face with the Chinese PLAN, sinking one of these will help generate international sympathy and support for the PI.

Enough talk of 76 mm OTO Melara; reasons against these have been discussed ab infinitum in many a thread.

If we ought to Arm them, a zero deck penetration mount like those on the JPCVs ought to be more appropriate.

Plus a few 30./50. caliber mounts on strategic locations for extra measure.

Less crew needed to aim and fire the weapon, within the comparatively safer of whatever stands for a CIC/Bridge.

Can provide Night/Low Vision capability against smugglers running in the night.

If we need to go cheap, then do we still have a number of 40mm Bofors in storage?

Arming them in the manner the brits did their minesweepers maybe enough. Give the Coasties NV Googles for low visibility/night use :



And they ought to be enough to disable any foreign FV, or give it an advantage over lightly armed Foreign Maritime Protection Ships.


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Re: Retitled: Japanese patrol boats
« Reply #71 on: July 30, 2012, 02:24:23 AM »
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“They’re considering 10 40-meter boats on official development aid and two larger ones as grants,” Del Rosario said.

Question: What's the difference between official development aid from grants? Does it mean that, they are going to give it to us for free or with discount?
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Re: Retitled: Japanese patrol boats
« Reply #72 on: July 30, 2012, 03:17:59 AM »
ODA as far as i know is aid given mostly by 1st world countries to developing nations and it includes loans. Soo we would pay for those 10 40m boats but the deal would be 5 built in Japan and 5 built here. It helps our coast guard and will help the local shipbuilding industry.

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Re: Retitled: Japanese patrol boats
« Reply #73 on: July 30, 2012, 04:59:34 AM »
ODA as far as i know is aid given mostly by 1st world countries to developing nations and it includes loans. Soo we would pay for those 10 40m boats but the deal would be 5 built in Japan and 5 built here. It helps our coast guard and will help the local shipbuilding industry.

is it perfectly safe to assume that the 2 larger ones as grants which will be given are free?
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Re: Retitled: Japanese patrol boats
« Reply #74 on: July 30, 2012, 05:44:29 AM »
‎2 Shiretoko class 78 meters 970 tons high endurance cutters will be turn over to the Philippine Coast Guard before the end of 2012 and an additional 10 new 40 meters 180 tons Bizan class patrol boats will also be transferred to the PCG... hopefully soon enough... and this is based on some discussion with japanese reporters...