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Re: AFP submits initial wish list for modernization
« Reply #15 on: July 09, 2012, 10:04:19 PM »
Medium-Term Capability Program 
2013- 2017 (P75 Billion)
 
Joint Aerospace Forces-- 29,369.58
 Joint Maritime Forces--   25,275.77
Joint Land Forces--          12,487.40 
General Support --            7,867.25
TOTAL                               75,000.00
DBM Sec Abad confirmed in today's presscon that the (*new/revised/extension) AFP Mod Law still needs to be passed.  The P75B for the next five years is the confirmed request. 


So this one seemed to be far-fetched : :(
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Sub Program 1( the General Appropriations Budget): 50 billion each year for the first five years
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Re: AFP submits initial wish list for modernization
« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2012, 10:22:10 PM »
I'm curious... what andry seems to be alluding to is the 1995 list; the figures and timetables included in his post seem to match.

Can you post the list in its entirety? I have a nasty suspicion it's one and the same.

If it is a new list, then the AFP has stuck to its guns, with the addition of possibly submarines in the list.

I like it, for the original list called for an eventual PAF OOB 36 MRFs and 12 SAAs, among others.

your right, 12th. i did take a look at the old Modernization program, and it does seem to have the same allotments. hmmmm.........
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Re: AFP submits initial wish list for modernization
« Reply #17 on: July 09, 2012, 11:47:59 PM »
the briefing on the afp modernization program has a caveat that the proposals therein are all subject to the passage of the amended afp modernization law. as such, i am taking it with a grain of salt.
 
there's no entry regarding the acquisition of  MRFs.
 
under the joint aerospace entry, the notable items worth mentioning are  fighter/surface attack aircraft/lead in fighter trainer : quantity: 12 ( now this troubled me a bit. does this mean that the 12 units cover both the tucanos and the lifts?) ) it would seem so.

 munitions" Short range air to air : 24
med range air to air : 16
air to ground: 48
air to surface standoff :24
 
special mission aircraft:1
 

there's no mention of submarines either.under joint maritime forces, what caught my attention are these two, namely:
 
helicopter (ASW-capable qty: 4
 long range patrol craft qty: 1
 
are these items included in the old wishlist? 

another caveat. i can't vouch for the veracity of these figures. what i can vouch for is the loyalty of my friend who furnished this to me.

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Re: AFP submits initial wish list for modernization
« Reply #18 on: July 10, 2012, 12:20:08 AM »
submarines are still under study. as it is, if ever we were to get submarines it would be made probably in the last 5-year period. after all, even the article in which the sub option was given stated that any decision on submarines would be made in 2020. it would seem that the AFP is still sticking to the CUP2 timeline (Transition Phase).

Tucanos are not SAA/LIFTs. they are being bought as COIN aircraft, in replacement of the OV-10s. so all 12 are in the LIFT category, and separated from the COIN procurement.
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Re: AFP submits initial wish list for modernization
« Reply #19 on: July 10, 2012, 03:25:37 AM »
your right, 12th. i did take a look at the old Modernization program, and it does seem to have the same allotments. hmmmm.........

Yup... I noticed that as soon as I read Andry's post; Still have my memory from time to time  (|;)

It would help if you post the list your loyal friend gave you, andry, to see if the AFP has made changes, considering the threat board back then has changed to what we have today.
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Re: AFP submits initial wish list for modernization
« Reply #20 on: July 10, 2012, 05:14:01 AM »
For those who are wondering what the old modernization program was...
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1998 AFP MODERNIZATION PROGRAM
(Equipment Acquisition)

AIR FORCE
            Type

      Multi-Role Fighter
      Surface Attack Aircraft
      Light Lift Aircraft
      Medium Lift Aircraft
      Heavy Lift Aircraft
      Search and Rescue Helicopter
      Heavy Lift Helicopter
      Long Range Patrol Aircraft
      Air Defense Radar
| < Sub-Program I > |

24
12
-
-
-
3
2
6
6

| <Sub-Program II> |

12
12
9
6
2
9
2
-
-

NAVY
            Type

      Corvette
      Patrol Craft
      Patrol Boat
      Offshore Patrol Vessel
      Mine Warfare Vesse
      Frigate
| < Sub-Program I > |

3
18
10
7
1
-

| < Sub-Program II > |

3
6
6
5
2
3

ARMY
            Type

      Individual Weapon
      Crew-Served Weapon
      Artillery
      Armor
      Aviation
      Air Defense
| < Sub-Program I > |

15 lots*
6 lots
112
19
17
4 lots

| < Sub-Program II > |

2 lots
5 lots
40
89
-
9 lots
      * Lots refer to a package or system.
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Re: AFP submits initial wish list for modernization
« Reply #21 on: July 10, 2012, 06:02:47 AM »
I'm curious... what andry seems to be alluding to is the 1995 list; the figures and timetables included in his post seem to match.

Can you post the list in its entirety? I have a nasty suspicion it's one and the same.

If it is a new list, then the AFP has stuck to its guns, with the addition of possibly submarines in the list.

I like it, for the original list called for an eventual PAF OOB 36 MRFs and 12 SAAs, among others.

For those who are wondering what the old modernization program was... Ref


Thanks 49er... made it even better... and shows why I stated that the Subs were probably a late addition..

Correction... make that 24 SAAs had this plan been carried thru... with some adjustments to the Projected Navy Acquisition list.
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Re: AFP submits initial wish list for modernization
« Reply #22 on: July 10, 2012, 09:22:46 AM »
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Medium-Term capability Program
2013-2017 (75B)


Capability Requirements
Joint Aerospace Forces

 Air Surveillance Radar (3 fixed and 3 mobile)     qty: 1 lot
Flight Simulator     qty:1
Fighter/Surface Attack Aircraft/lead in Fighter trainer   qty:12
Munitions SAA/LIFT
Short Range Air to Air    Qty:  24
Med Range Air to Air   Qty:  16
Air to Ground  Qty: 48
Air to Surface Standoff  Qty: 24
Special Mission Aircraft   Qty: 1


 
Joint Maritime Forces

 Frigate    Qty: 1
Helicopter (ASW-capable)   Qty: 4
Coast Watch System (3 Stations and 1 Center)  Qty: 1
Multi Purpose Assault Craft   Qty: 5
Offshore Patrol Vessels   Qty: 2
Strategic Sealift Vessel  Qty:2
Amphibious Assault Vehicle  Qty:8
C4ISTAR System (PMC)  Qty:1
Long Range patrol Aircraft  Qty:1

Joint Land Forces

Radio, VHF 2-5w (HH)   Qty: 1376
Radio, HF 50W (VEH)  Qty: 60
Light Lift Aircraft  Qty:6
Shoulder-launched Multi-Purpose Assault Weapon Qty: 1 lot
Rocket Launcher Light (Light-multi purpose assault Qty: 540
40 mm Grenade launcher   Qty:684
Night Fighting System:
1. Night Visoin monocular  qty:  4212
2.Infrared aiming device  qty: 4212 
3. Laser zeroing device  qty: 48
 Truck 1 1/4 Ton  qty: 236
Recovery Vehicle, Full tracked  Qty: 3
Prime mover with Flat Bed  Qty:12
VHF Repeater (RF 6010) Qty: 15
Network Integrator  Qty:5
Global Positioning System  Qty: 840
Close Air Support Aircraft   Qty: 6 (oh, this must be the tucanos)
Combat Utility Helicopter  qty:4
 



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Re: AFP submits initial wish list for modernization
« Reply #23 on: July 10, 2012, 09:43:38 AM »
bakit nila sinama yan 4x combat utility helicopter (Sokol CUH).  di ba bayad na yan and for delivery nlng yung natitirang 4?  :shock:
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Re: AFP submits initial wish list for modernization
« Reply #24 on: July 10, 2012, 10:24:40 AM »
sir andry, anu po ibig sabihin nito? Air to Surface Standoff  Qty: 24
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Re: AFP submits initial wish list for modernization
« Reply #25 on: July 10, 2012, 10:44:08 AM »
^ Could be the smart munition kits, similar to the ones used by the OV10s a few months ago. Would make sense IMO. Use the stock piled irons with these kits, then move on to some of the other types as they gain more experienced.   

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Re: AFP submits initial wish list for modernization
« Reply #26 on: July 10, 2012, 01:57:41 PM »
sir andry, anu po ibig sabihin nito? Air to Surface Standoff  Qty: 24
^ Could be the smart munition kits, similar to the ones used by the OV10s a few months ago. Would make sense IMO. Use the stock piled irons with these kits, then move on to some of the other types as they gain more experienced.   

Or it could also be AGM-65 Maverick missiles. Maybe the AGM-65F version used by the USN, which can also  be used on targets at sea
The PAF is only requesting 24, so it means it is a costly item.

The Air to ground munitions on the list which the PAF is requesting 48, might be the smart munition kits, or smart bombs.

Short range Air to Air, 24 requested- Probably sidewinders.

Medium range Air to Air, 16 requested- could be AIM-120 AMRAAM. Again the relatively small number requested might be related to their cost.

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Re: AFP submits initial wish list for modernization
« Reply #27 on: July 10, 2012, 03:03:52 PM »
So it means they are really looking at TA-50 from the get go and maybe some FA-50 in the mix as it supports medium range AIM-120 missiles.



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Re: AFP submits initial wish list for modernization
« Reply #28 on: July 10, 2012, 03:44:20 PM »
bakit nila sinama yan 4x combat utility helicopter (Sokol CUH).  di ba bayad na yan and for delivery nlng yung natitirang 4?  :shock:
It could also mean that they may be acquiring more.  Some members has observed that the current Sokols (Lawin or Banog for PHL vernacularization) are on the process of being employed as SAR units.

(Despite Andry_H had earlier posted that he can't directly attribute accuracy), DND has done a creative way of doing the needs assessment using generic operational terms, and irregardless of which service is the actual operator. 
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Re: AFP submits initial wish list for modernization
« Reply #29 on: July 10, 2012, 03:59:50 PM »
Joint Maritime Forces

Strategic Sealift Vessel  Qty:2

This seems off.  The 1st MRV/SSV is known to have been fully funded (funds escrowed) -- so funding of this project should no longer be charged against the P75B fund.  Is this just a matter of having a formal contract and allotment release order?
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