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Gooner

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Re: Refurbished UH-1 (21 units)
« Reply #180 on: May 16, 2013, 03:11:32 AM »
So what happened to this deal?

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Re: Refurbished UH-1 (21 units)
« Reply #181 on: May 17, 2013, 08:48:20 AM »
the deal is still on, finalizing everything, daw. lack of news doesn't mean bad news.....
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Re: Refurbished UH-1 (21 units)
« Reply #182 on: May 26, 2013, 09:52:16 AM »
http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2013/05/27/946784/dnd-set-acquire-21-huey-helicopters

So Rice Aircraft Services -  did not get the contract?

"The problem lies on the technical and administrative matters on the part of Rice,” Manalo said.

“(Rice) did not meet (some requirements) based on the financial statements (it submitted). Through such documents, we can see a bidder’s financial capacity,” he added.


Also...

"It only has 16 mission-capable UH-1 helicopters in its inventory, 51 units short of the ideal number of operational combat utility helicopters."

16!!!! that's it for the whole country? Why is this happening?



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Re: Refurbished UH-1 (21 units)
« Reply #183 on: May 27, 2013, 11:02:32 AM »
http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2013/05/27/946784/dnd-set-acquire-21-huey-helicopters

So Rice Aircraft Services -  did not get the contract?

"The problem lies on the technical and administrative matters on the part of Rice,” Manalo said.

“(Rice) did not meet (some requirements) based on the financial statements (it submitted). Through such documents, we can see a bidder’s financial capacity,” he added.


Also...

"It only has 16 mission-capable UH-1 helicopters in its inventory, 51 units short of the ideal number of operational combat utility helicopters."

16!!!! that's it for the whole country? Why is this happening?
not to mention that those left are old and that anytime they may give way. Guess its all up to the sokols

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Re: Refurbished UH-1 (21 units)
« Reply #184 on: May 27, 2013, 12:28:07 PM »
Also...

"It only has 16 mission-capable UH-1 helicopters in its inventory, 51 units short of the ideal number of operational combat utility helicopters."

16!!!! that's it for the whole country? Why is this happening?

It is happening because the GRP doesn't understand that it costs money to have helicopters, MRFs, naval vessels etc. It doesn't understand that the cost includes not only the purchase of said equipment, it also includes the cost of building support infrastructure, training, AND operations and maintenance funds. Additionally, there's also the trust aspect. Some politicians use the lack of trust as an excuse not to fund the AFP.

I spoke to an officer recently who sang the praises of the bravery of PAF pilots. He said he wouldn't fly with them because he just didn't trust the equipment. He also mentioned corruption. The PAF, and very likely the rest of the services, have to make do with poor support from the government. That is why it is happening. It is interesting to note that this is for UH-1s to be delivered vs. reviving the ones that are on hand. Are they that bad off - BER? How long would the ILS be, and are there provisions to extend that part of the contract?

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Re: Refurbished UH-1 (21 units)
« Reply #185 on: May 27, 2013, 01:06:22 PM »
It is happening because the GRP doesn't understand that it costs money to have helicopters, MRFs, naval vessels etc. It doesn't understand that the cost includes not only the purchase of said equipment, it also includes the cost of building support infrastructure, training, AND operations and maintenance funds. Additionally, there's also the trust aspect. Some politicians use the lack of trust as an excuse not to fund the AFP.

I spoke to an officer recently who sang the praises of the bravery of PAF pilots. He said he wouldn't fly with them because he just didn't trust the equipment. He also mentioned corruption. The PAF, and very likely the rest of the services, have to make do with poor support from the government. That is why it is happening. It is interesting to note that this is for UH-1s to be delivered vs. reviving the ones that are on hand. Are they that bad off - BER? How long would the ILS be, and are there provisions to extend that part of the contract?

Sir Igs... this will be a monumental task for whoever will tackle this problem with the system. I'm hoping that AFP and Phil. Government is doing  some change/s and realizing that it's old way is not sustainable and human lives are not cheap (or is it????) sigh......

thanks for responding.

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Re: Refurbished UH-1 (21 units)
« Reply #186 on: May 27, 2013, 04:12:27 PM »

kaya pala parang may holiday sa TOG-(XXXX)..dadami na naman sasali sa afternoon run o sa dodgeball. tsk tsk.. 
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Re: Refurbished UH-1 (21 units)
« Reply #187 on: May 27, 2013, 04:37:07 PM »
Sir Igs... this will be a monumental task for whoever will tackle this problem with the system. I'm hoping that AFP and Phil. Government is doing  some change/s and realizing that it's old way is not sustainable and human lives are not cheap (or is it????) sigh......

thanks for responding.

Sorry about the pessimism. It was a depressing conversation. You are right that it is a monumental task. Over the years it seems like there hasn't been much progress, and updating the AFP - in this case the PAF- seems to get delayed over and over.

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Re: Refurbished UH-1 (21 units)
« Reply #188 on: May 27, 2013, 06:16:12 PM »

"The problem lies on the technical and administrative matters on the part of Rice,” Manalo said.

“(Rice) did not meet (some requirements) based on the financial statements (it submitted). Through such documents, we can see a bidder’s financial capacity,” he added.


i don't think this is the first time for Rice to supply PAF with the chopper so what's this financial capacity BS?

if i remember it right, they bid this requirement but 2 out of 3 bidders were disqualified hence Rice was left as sole supplier.  now that Rice is not qualified (also) because they did not met some post-bid requirement they (DND) are saying they will resort to negotiated procurement.. with whom? with the first 2 who failed to qualify in the first round?  seems off...

they disqualified the qualified so that the disqualified will qualified?
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Re: Refurbished UH-1 (21 units)
« Reply #189 on: May 27, 2013, 06:23:36 PM »
i don't think this is the first time for Rice to supply PAF with the chopper so what's this financial capacity BS?

if i remember it right, they bid this requirement but 2 out of 3 bidders were disqualified hence Rice was left as sole supplier.  now that Rice is not qualified (also) because they did not met some post-bid requirement they (DND) are saying they will resort to negotiated procurement.. with whom? with the first 2 who failed to qualify in the first round?  seems off...

they disqualified the qualified so that the disqualified will qualified?
- tama ba?
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The other question I have is, does DND procurement team published the requirement before bidder submit a bid? Is it always the same requirement or does it change depending on the project? And the  DND should be asking the question (to avoid delays)...Why are we getting some bidder getting dis-qualified during post-qualification? Then make correction to the process.


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Re: Refurbished UH-1 (21 units)
« Reply #190 on: May 27, 2013, 06:29:16 PM »
the deal is still on, finalizing everything, daw. lack of news doesn't mean bad news.....

This time the lack of news really meant bad news when it finally came out. It is really hard to understand how the bidding process is so messed up. It is really high time for an ammendment to our procurement law,  it has become in-efficient.

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Re: Refurbished UH-1 (21 units)
« Reply #191 on: May 28, 2013, 07:51:16 PM »
http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2013/05/29/947530/dnd-finalizing-terms-jet-acquisition

"Meanwhile, Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin has ordered security officials to hasten the acquisition of 21 UH-1 helicopters so these can be delivered in time for the rainy season."

HOPE they can get those heli before our friendly typhoons comes. :(

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Re: Refurbished UH-1 (21 units)
« Reply #192 on: June 04, 2013, 11:50:09 PM »
DND & AFP official, please WAKE UP! ACT! NOW!  :bash: ALL are TALKS but please remember the
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Re: Refurbished UH-1 (21 units)
« Reply #193 on: July 26, 2013, 10:07:56 PM »
Rebidding for 21 refurbished choppers set
Published on Wednesday, 17 July 2013 19:53
Written by Zaff Solmerin


ANOTHER bidding for the 21 refurbished helicopters UH-1H “Huey” helicopters worth P1.2 billion will be conducted as the Bids and Awards Committee (BAC) of the Department of National Defense (DND) reportedly disqualified a bidder for alleged “document inconsistencies” during a post qualification conference recently.

The DND-BAC reportedly dropped the winning bidder, Rice Aircraft Services Inc. (Rasi), during the post-qualification conference after it found out “inconsistencies” in its bidding documents. A source, however, declined to give details about the alleged inconsistencies of the documents to protect his identity.

“The bidding [process] is back to zero,” the source said.

Six suppliers bought bid documents for the 21 helicopters but only the US-based Rasi and Star Defense System-Radom Israel joined the bidding.

Rasi’s web site indicate that the company is a privately held and operated corporation based in North California. It specializes in suppling Bell Helicopters models 204, 205, 212, 412 and UH-1B, C, D, F, H, L, M and N.

http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/index.php/en/news/nation/16594-rebidding-for-21-refurbished-choppers-set
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Re: Refurbished UH-1 (21 units)
« Reply #194 on: July 26, 2013, 10:45:31 PM »

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Uhurmmm I'm sure (hopefully) something like this is waiting to be attached to those incoming UH-1H   :beer:  Better for SOKOLS also  :lol:
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