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« Reply #45 on: November 25, 2012, 10:22:31 PM »
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Planned acquisition of 21 helicopters aimed to boost PAF capability for 2013


The planned acquisition of 21 refurbished UH-1 Helicopters for the Philippine Air Force (PAF) is aimed to boost the PAF’s air lift capability for the coming 2013 elections and various military operations.

This was revealed by Undersecretary for Finance, Munitions, Installations and Materiel Fernando I. Manalo at the Defense Department today, November 26, 2012.

USec Manalo said that the PAF requested additional helicopters because they are anticipating an increase in air mobility requirements due to election-related flights in various parts of the country. This is in addition to the military operations and missions related to National Development initiatives of the national government.

He further added that the project was already in the pipeline as early as 2011, when then PAF Commanding General, Lt Gen Oscar Rabena, requested Pres. Benigno S. Aquino III for additional UH-1H helicopters. The said helicopters are also urgently required during calamity and disaster operations.

An Acquisition Decision Memorandum (ADM) was issued in March 2012 for the acquisition of 21 refurbished UH-1H Helicopters under negotiated procurement pursuant to Section 53.2 (Emergency Cases) of the implementing rules and regulations of RA 9184, s-2003.

“With the present national security condition, the acquisition of additional combat utility helicopters to augment the existing UH-1H “Huey” fleet is imperative. The PAF’s primary helicopter is the Huey, which falls under the light lift category. Having been the workhorse of AFP tactical operations for many years, the Huey fleet has succumbed to natural attrition due to structural stress and aircraft accidents,” Usec Manalo said.

According to the recent report of the Defense Acquisition System (DAS) assessment team, there are only 16 fully/partial mission-capable Hueys in the PAF inventory. Currently, the PAF is 51 units short of reaching its ideal number of operational Combat Utility Helicopters (CUH).

“The acquisition of CUHs aims to address the capability shortfall on the number of utility helicopters in order for the PAF to efficiently perform their missions. Utility helicopters are deployed all over the Philippines and have proven to be the most effective platform for the internal security operations (ISO) and the Internal Peace and Security Plan (IPSP) campaign,” USec Manalo said.

The Defense Department submitted the request to the Government Policy and Procurement Board (GPPB) for authority to implement through negotiated procurement the said acquisition project last June 2012. However, in September 2012, the DND received the GPPB’s decision for the conduct of Public Bidding for the UH-1H project instead of negotiated procurement, through a resolution dated August 10, 2012.

The bid opening is set on December 4, 2012, with 6 potential bidders having already bought the bid documents, signifying their intention to participate in the bidding process.
 
To avoid the danger of not being able to fully-support the helicopter lift requirements of the 2013 elections, the PAF has recommended that the delivery time for the 21 UH-1H be not later that February 28, 2013.


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Re: Refurbished UH-1 (21 units)
« Reply #46 on: November 26, 2012, 03:55:06 AM »
The PAF wants the chopper delivered by Feb. 28th while the bids will not be open till Dec. 4th, how is this possible in less than 3 months time ...  :shock:
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Re: Refurbished UH-1 (21 units)
« Reply #47 on: November 26, 2012, 05:19:30 AM »
remember 2010 pa talaga yun program na yan ah

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« Reply #48 on: November 26, 2012, 05:43:29 AM »
The PAF wants the chopper delivered by Feb. 28th while the bids will not be open till Dec. 4th, how is this possible in less than 3 months time ...  :shock:

I was quite surprised by the short time frame as well. Though given the number of bidders and how long the acquisition project's been touted before bidding has even begun, I assume that there has been quite enough time for interested parties to get their units ready for their potential sale and transfer.

I wonder who are the bidders and where the units the have on offer will come from?

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« Reply #49 on: November 26, 2012, 06:58:09 PM »
3 months will be really tight. I hope safety issues could be dealt with first (since like all refurbished and second hand acquisition some testing has to be done first before acceptance right?), how long does PAF needs to certify this huey before being accepted into service to fully support the election?

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« Reply #50 on: November 27, 2012, 03:22:49 AM »
Sounds like sorta a good idea if the DND has already done its homework and has already shortlisted possible vendors to invite who have the goods or who can make the goods available within the timeframe.

Question is, can our procurement system keep up with the pace?
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Re: Refurbished UH-1 (21 units)
« Reply #51 on: November 27, 2012, 05:23:03 AM »
reading carefully the defense guidance planing 2013-2018... it says there at least a squadron of tactical helicopter...

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« Reply #52 on: November 27, 2012, 07:23:40 PM »
reading carefully the defense guidance planing 2013-2018... it says there at least a squadron of tactical helicopter...

How sure are you of that?

Is DND in a talking mood about OPSEC matters?

How many Composite wing do we have?
How many Army Divisions do we have that has access to 1 or 2 CUH at their dispense.

So we are now prioritizing CUH acquisitions because of Elections?

Sounds silly to me. But all this talk, pronouncements and sub-pronouncements, interviews here and there is to keep some people
out of the loop.

Yes, we assists with security during elections but figuring the DGP in line with electoral matters sounds absurd to me.

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« Reply #53 on: November 27, 2012, 07:53:32 PM »
heard on DZMM about last week(anthony taverna) that majority of the bidders are complaining that the requirements seems to fit or tailored to a particular bidder to which anthony did not specify. The complainants for example are pointing at the delivery time frame, they said how can they deliver the choppers on or before feb 28, 2013 when the application to export a defense related material from the US to the Phil usually takes 60 days....

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« Reply #54 on: November 27, 2012, 08:18:44 PM »
So does that mean the choppers are already out there, just waiting to be delivered? EDAs? FMS?

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Re: Refurbished UH-1 (21 units)
« Reply #55 on: November 27, 2012, 08:54:37 PM »
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Planned acquisition of 21 helicopters aimed to boost PAF capability for 2013

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According to the recent report of the Defense Acquisition System (DAS) assessment team, there are only 16 fully/partial mission-capable Hueys in the PAF inventory. Currently, the PAF is 51 units short of reaching its ideal number of operational Combat Utility Helicopters (CUH).

So, it has approx 16 operational Hueys...then add 8 Sokols...so that's 24 CUHs. So, if it is 51 units short, they're planning on having 75 operational birds. Are they implementing the rule of three, or are they transitioning away from that model. The rule would require 225 birds.

Also, is this announcement an indication that the PAF plans to maintain a hybrid CUH force of Sokols and Hueys? Ok, so maybe that wasn't an appropriate question considering the value of AFP "announcements."  :)

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« Reply #56 on: November 27, 2012, 09:32:24 PM »
The ITB didn't specify a model, only a breakdown of 13 UH-1 and 8 UH-1 upgraded. My speculations would be that :
1 - it's possible that the absence of model specifier could actually opened the bid for the German UH-1Ds.
2 - the eight upgraded units would replace the W-3A Sokols on their intended roles of CUH, as the Sokols are now re-tasked as SARs and/or;
3 - the SAR UH-1H / Huey-II could be released back to the frontline combat squadrons;
4 - the previous (old modernization) plan was to have ten units of (upgraded) Huey-II; we already had two units upgraded before -- so these might complete the previous plan.

So nominally, you'll have 13 UH-1 from this bid, plus the 16 operational birds; plus 8 UH-1 upgraded from this bid, then a few UH-1, include the two Huey-II from 505th.  M2CW
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Re: Refurbished UH-1 (21 units)
« Reply #57 on: November 27, 2012, 10:47:57 PM »
yesterday, i had a chat with an old friend who just retired from the USAF last year. for the past decade he was a crew chief in the Air Force's Helo squadrons. his last job was as the crew chief for the evaluation team for the MV/CV-22 Osprey.

we talked about the spec differences of the UH-1H and the Huey II. in his opinion, barring any structural problems, a ten man crew could easily install the upgrades in two weeks per bird.
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« Reply #58 on: November 28, 2012, 02:10:55 AM »
heard on DZMM about last week(anthony taverna) that majority of the bidders are complaining that the requirements seems to fit or tailored to a particular bidder to which anthony did not specify. The complainants for example are pointing at the delivery time frame, they said how can they deliver the choppers on or before feb 28, 2013 when the application to export a defense related material from the US to the Phil usually takes 60 days....

I doubt it, as you said, it usually takes 60 days but the bidding is set to be on Dec 4 and delivery is on Feb 28, that's more than enough time. Dont believe everything that Taberna says, he's pretty much black listed here from his blunders in reporting.
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« Reply #59 on: November 28, 2012, 08:53:42 AM »
yesterday, i had a chat with an old friend who just retired from the USAF last year. for the past decade he was a crew chief in the Air Force's Helo squadrons. his last job was as the crew chief for the evaluation team for the MV/CV-22 Osprey.

we talked about the spec differences of the UH-1H and the Huey II. in his opinion, barring any structural problems, a ten man crew could easily install the upgrades in two weeks per bird.

But you still have to factor in procurement and delivery, testing and scaling-out of the upgrade.  How many Huey upgrades can our hanger(s) accomodate, how many are qualified to do the upgrade and other operational and project management concerns.  That makes the 28-Feb-2013 delivery date impossible for 21 Hueys.