Author Topic: Nuclear Powered Philippines 2025  (Read 5911 times)

jaypee

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Nuclear Powered Philippines 2025
« on: December 25, 2012, 05:01:24 AM »
Are you amenable?  :2rifles:
 High electricity cost is one of the lingering problems of our country slowing economic growth.

http://business.inquirer.net/99427/for-govt-nuclear-energy-now-a-viable-option


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Re: Nuclear Powered Philippines 2025
« Reply #1 on: December 25, 2012, 06:02:40 AM »
we should have been doing this since the 90s to keep power costs down.

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Re: Nuclear Powered Philippines 2025
« Reply #2 on: December 25, 2012, 09:48:29 PM »
this will be a hard sell to many filipinos.  mostly when they hear nuclear what comes into their mind is Atomic Bomb and lately the Fukushima incident, but with those to counter balance those things is the promise of cheap energy cost and the prestige that comes along when a country starts their Nuclear program.  hence first thing the government should do is educate the populace as early as possible along with studies and scouting for any terrain to build it

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Re: Nuclear Powered Philippines 2025
« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2012, 04:00:59 AM »
does the BNPP have a chance to operate?
or does the gov't have to built a new plant?


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Re: Nuclear Powered Philippines 2025
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2013, 01:30:32 AM »
does the BNPP have a chance to operate?
or does the gov't have to built a new plant?

BNPP is mothballed.  The cost of it getting up and running would be too high.  Better to build a new one.
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Re: Nuclear Powered Philippines 2025
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2013, 11:17:57 AM »
 Philippine government should do more than a roadshow to convince the public the benifits of harnessing nuclear energy and its drawbacks. Cheaper energy, greener technology an answer to climate change versus huge start up cost and high risk/complex waste material dissposal issues.
In time of peace we should be preparing for war.

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Re: Nuclear Powered Philippines 2025
« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2013, 11:33:14 AM »
 Then be prepared for the following questions about: 1. Radioactive waste material management plan and HSE plan. 2. Emergency plans during radioactive leaks, fire, earthquake, flood and worst nuclear meltdown. 3. Financial Security - who shoulder cost overruns, construction delays.. etc 4. Identify which province is suitable and willing for radioactive waste dispossal area.
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Re: Nuclear Powered Philippines 2025
« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2013, 08:45:36 PM »
Philippine government should do more than a roadshow to convince the public the benifits of harnessing nuclear energy and its drawbacks. Cheaper energy, greener technology an answer to climate change versus huge start up cost and high risk/complex waste material dissposal issues.

studies have already been done. why do you think the government is pushing for Wind, Tidal, Geothermal, Hydro? the four mentioned have lower environmental impacts than nuclear. you do not have a risk of Fukushima hovering over our heads whenever there's an earthquake of volcanic explosion. and electric production comes out cheaper from the other four sources......
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Re: Nuclear Powered Philippines 2025
« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2013, 09:02:12 PM »
^Sir, unfortunately, the feed-in tariff which will take effect next year will make our current electricity rates even more expensive. IMHO, this is another law crafted for the benefit of the power producers, especially those who have had a strong foothold in the palace since '86.
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The so called “feed-in tariff” guarantees energy companies an extra amount of money above the market rate for every kilowatt of clean power they sell.
http://business.inquirer.net/114493/philippine-clean-energy-tariffs-to-start-next-year-government
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Re: Nuclear Powered Philippines 2025
« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2013, 02:08:55 AM »
studies have already been done. why do you think the government is pushing for Wind, Tidal, Geothermal, Hydro? the four mentioned have lower environmental impacts than nuclear. you do not have a risk of Fukushima hovering over our heads whenever there's an earthquake of volcanic explosion. and electric production comes out cheaper from the other four sources......

the main problem is where do we get our base load capacity. it's true that alternative sources are cheaper and have smaller environmental impact, but they produce intermittent power. only geothermal and hydro can provide base load but our hydro are even subject to drought. another, we only have a few sites that are capable of hosting hydro and geothermal.

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Re: Nuclear Powered Philippines 2025
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2013, 03:33:35 AM »
that is also why the government is pushing for Tidal. for as long as there is a moon, then the deeper portions of the Philippines, i.e. Surigao Straits, San Bernardino Straits, etc., could be harnessed continuously. think of wind turbines, just under water.

and only few sites capable of hosting geo is not true. for every kilometer you go down, the temperature rises dramatically. there are boreholes in California that have been sunk to 5kilometers that, when loaded with water, generate enough steam to run 150Mwhs of electricity.

@ c_d- are you not paying through the nose as it is? a single kilowatt hour of electricity from a diesel generator will put your back by Php12! how much do you think it costs to put up a single Megawatt of power from Geothermal? Hydro? Wind? each of those i named will cost 2-4 times the amount of money spent on diesel or coal, but are you willing to swelter in more global warming? how about the current price of diesel?

problem is, we all want what is good for the country, but few are willing to take the sacrifice needed.......
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Re: Nuclear Powered Philippines 2025
« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2013, 07:18:32 PM »
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@ c_d- are you not paying through the nose as it is?
Yes I am. In fact, I am already frustrated with the neverending increase in electricity rates. I can only imagine what people who have less in life are going through.

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a single kilowatt hour of electricity from a diesel generator will put your back by Php12!
Precisely the reason why we have to find a way to get nuclear into the power mix. Just because there are risks, it doesn't mean that it has to be abandoned. If putting up nuclear plants is what will move us closer to becoming a developed country, then let's find ways to pursue it.

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how much do you think it costs to put up a single Megawatt of power from Geothermal? Hydro? Wind? each of those i named will cost 2-4 times the amount of money spent on diesel or coal,
The FIT was meant to attract investors to produce clean energy. However, it will also increase our already high electricity rates. Is that something attractive to potential investors? How about SMEs?

We hear economic planners talk about inclusive growth while other branches of government are saying the era of cheap power is over. A case of one hand not knowing what the other is doing.

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problem is, we all want what is good for the country, but few are willing to take the sacrifice needed.......
Yes I agree. We all want what's best for the country. The thing is, each of us have our own definition of what's "best". For some, it's about keeping the staus quo. For others, it's about expanding opportunities and horizons.

This is a crossroad that will shape the path of our country's future. Which path are we going to take?

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Re: Nuclear Powered Philippines 2025
« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2013, 05:58:16 AM »
 Nuke reactor safety related issues can be handled thru sound Hse plan folloing NEBOSH, OSHA, IOSH rigorous high standards however, as to what Mig pointed out if he was right about studies done and our gov't choose low risk wind, geothermal, hydro and tidal then be it just build more of it ASAP.
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