Author Topic: DND says they want to buy brandnew frigates, dropping plans to acquire maestrele  (Read 360092 times)

Sea Toby

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it feels horribly wrong to say that if its not in sona then it will not be purchased... it is so unlogical  :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:

For a shipyard building new ships, there are three big paydays which are usually marked with a ceremony. Laying the keel, launching, and finally commissioning whether the ship is military or civilian.

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Navy to open bidding for brand new warships
By Camille Diola (philstar.com) | Updated July 31, 2013 - 10:50am


MANILA, Philippines - Despite having acquired two second-hand warships from the United States, the Philippine Navy is still keen on purchasing brand new frigates.

Philippine Navy flag officer-in-charge Vice Admiral Jose Luis Alano said the new acquisitions are still part of the Armed Forces of the Philippines' bid for modernization.

"(The frigates are still) part of the modernization program. (We are) now in the process of coming up with the final documents for the bidding," Alano said.

He added that five countries have so far expressed interest in joining the bidding namely the US, Israel, Croatia, Australia and South Korea.


http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2013/07/31/1035141/navy-open-bidding-brand-new-warships

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share lng guys nice documentation out and inside the ship. A closer look for a new ship similar feel with this class
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXXhwaRN-Gw

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share lng guys nice documentation out and inside the ship. A closer look for a new ship similar feel with this class
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXXhwaRN-Gw

What I like best about this class (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braunschweig-class_corvette)  is the provision for two RAM missile launchers. What I like least is the fact that it has no helicopter hanger, only a small UAV hangar. This class has had a lot of problems with its reduction gears.

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It also may not be as seaworthy as you need.

40niner_com

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This offer is not new, but more like formalities of continuing interested by Navatia to participate in PN's requirement.   Navantia (as with other Spanish industries) are in dire need of new foreign contracts, as it's traditional local base (Spanish Navy) had been having budget difficulties due to the continuing economic problems in most of Europe.


ECD Defense : Navantia submitted Avante 1800 design proposal to the Philippines

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Aug 2, 2013...

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Company sources explained ECD that a delegation from Navantia traveled last July to the Asian country to introduce the modern Philippine Navy patrol Avante 1800, which has not yet made ​​any prototype.

Philippines will open a competition for the acquisition of patrol later this year and Navantia has confirmed this confidential participate with Avante 1800.

This is a patrolman maximum length 89.8 meters, 79.8 meters between perpendiculars, maximum width 13.2 meters, 7.2 meters from main deck strut and a total displacement of 1,900 tons. Reaches maximum speed 25 knots and has a range of 21 days all embarked personnel, whose capacity is 82 people.

As for the weapons, the Avante 1800 has three guns (one of 76 mm, another 25-35 mm and a 12.7 mm), a SAM missile vertical launcher 8 cells, two quadruple launchers of missiles SSM two triple ASW torpedo launchers and two decoy launchers RF & IR 12 tubes.

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Navatia has other Avante model options, including the Avante-2400 where four units as OPVs are now serving with the Bolivarian Navy of Venezuela.

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^^ Isn't the Avante 1800 Combatant Version? Very Nice... Hopefully our DND officials make the right move and do it swiftly this time.



http://www.navantia.es/ckfinder/userfiles/files/Avante%201800%20Corvette_r01%281%29.pdf
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Check out the company/Navantia video of Venezuela's PovZee (Avante-2400).  Take a peek on how sophisticated and integrated are the machinery controls, and modern surveillance/monitoring features and capabilities, as well as modular features.  Their PDF brochure, though, listed the PovZee as Avante-2200. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUUFhTTkmsU&list=PL87247C54FB5F0FD3
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Sorry no edit, but here's Navantia's product lines :

http://www.navantia.es/interior.php?id_sec=3&id_pag=97


Navantia was one of the bidders for the Bhat 13B (~$453m / ~PHP18.2B) Thai Frigate, losing out to SK-Daewoo's offer, which was awarded last April and finally approved last July.
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Sorry no edit, but here's Navantia's product lines :

http://www.navantia.es/interior.php?id_sec=3&id_pag=97


Navantia was one of the bidders for the Bhat 13B (~$453m / ~PHP18.2B) Thai Frigate, losing out to SK-Daewoo's offer, which was awarded last April and finally approved last July.

The final design by DSME for RTN appears to have been significantly revised. These are the updated CGI. In case anyone is wondering, the cost of just one of this frigates is the budget that had been set aside for the Philippines programme.



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    WHAT TO EXPECT NEXT?
    • According to Manalo -- Phil Navy will be acquiring the services of experienced technical consultant(s) to help the evaluation team on the detailed tech specs for the bidding as well as due-diligence review of the proposals.
    http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2013/08/05/1053501/alcaraz-now-subic

    “Both her engines are in top shape and she had her own monitoring and weapons systems which are highly functioning. She doesn’t need any escort,” said George Malabrigo, a Filipino engineer working for the International Fleet Support (IFS), a Washington-based naval contractor that provides complete life-cycle support for non-nuclear surface ships operated by allied navies."

    "Aboard BRP Del Pilar, Malabrigo is here as head of IFS programs for the Philippine Navy. He supervised the refurbishment of BRP Alcaraz at North Charleston, South Carolina right after the vessel was turned over to the Philippine government last year."

    http://www.navsea.navy.mil/teamships/Sea21_InternationalFleet/default.aspx
    "PMS 326 is actively supporting more than 150 ships in 23 different countries, including:

     Philippine Navy Ex-US Coast Guard Cutters"

    Can't help to think that Engr. George Malabrigo may also assist the Navy on its quest to acquire an advance warship with sensitive system as described by the DND.[/list][/list]

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    http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2013/08/05/1053501/alcaraz-now-subic

    “Both her engines are in top shape and she had her own monitoring and weapons systems which are highly functioning. She doesn’t need any escort,” said George Malabrigo, a Filipino engineer working for the International Fleet Support (IFS), a Washington-based naval contractor that provides complete life-cycle support for non-nuclear surface ships operated by allied navies."

    "Aboard BRP Del Pilar, Malabrigo is here as head of IFS programs for the Philippine Navy. He supervised the refurbishment of BRP Alcaraz at North Charleston, South Carolina right after the vessel was turned over to the Philippine government last year."

    http://www.navsea.navy.mil/teamships/Sea21_InternationalFleet/default.aspx
    "PMS 326 is actively supporting more than 150 ships in 23 different countries, including:

     Philippine Navy Ex-US Coast Guard Cutters"

    Can't help to think that Engr. George Malabrigo may also assist the Navy on its quest to acquire an advance warship with sensitive system as described by the DND.

    Sorry for chimming this angle, as Im too optimistic on whats happening on daily events. just my cents.

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    Put in my vote for the Incheon class (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incheon-class_frigate) for a number of reasons.

    Better aviation facilities--can land, support, and hangar helos up to MH-60 sized, some of the others cannot.

    Better gun--5" much more effective shore bombardment weapon than either 76mm or 57mm found on other alternatives.

    Better survivability--This ship is built to Naval standards, some of the others shown are not.

    Missile capability--not only carries up to eight anti-ship cruise missiles, also carries four land attack cruise missiles.

    Better air defense--has both Phalanx and Rolling Airframe Missile (RAM) systems.

    Faster--over 30 knots, with two LM2500 Gas Turbines (in addition to diesels) probably well over 30.

    If one of your ships ever really goes up against the Chinese, you are going to need all the advantages you can get.

    Greetings guys, I have just completed a month long of lurking due to being banned by the MODs.
    Sorry for my string of stupid post prior to being banned.
    For this issue I would like to repost Sir Chucks earlier post regarding the Incheons.
    Why would a lot of members go for the Avante or any other ships we can't afford and lacks the other specs
    of the Incheons? Maybe we should all look or aspire for a ship that we can actually afford, that will give us
    more capabilities.
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    Article about the Navantia offer:

    http://maxdefense.blogspot.co.uk/2013/08/navantia-offers-avante-1800-to.html

    @Insanemotive, Please refrain from using blogs as your reference, as these are mostly opinions posted by someone else. Besides, Maxdefense' reference link to state his sort of news has already been posted by Sir 40niner if you could read it above this page. In the future, please use credible media sites, military sites, or government sites as your reference. Thanks.
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