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What could the AFP do against a WWII battleship?
« on: May 24, 2007, 02:54:01 PM »
Think of this as a way to assess the current capabilities of the AFP. A little suspension of disbelief will be required to make this a useful exercise.

Scenario:

The Yamato, Mushashi, and the Bismarck make their way into Manila Bay, and start shelling Manila.

Question:

What can the AFP really do against these heavily armed, heavily armored ships?

How would they counter attack?

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Re: What could the AFP do against a WWII battleship?
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2007, 03:32:18 PM »
Tough questions really. I'd go for suicide S211 sorties. I'm sure we can get a good hit on them.

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Re: What could the AFP do against a WWII battleship?
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2007, 05:40:37 PM »
If the said battleships enter a a certain location in the phils where there is enough islands to cover all our vessels we can do a surprise attack coming from everywhere shooting our rapid 75mm guns, 25mm (if there is enough range) and other guns against them. If the said battleships stopped all its engines we could get frogmen or navy seals to put plastic explosives under the battleships and detonate. If the navy and its personel cant stop the said battleships its time to do rocket attacks on them ( if we have any rocket projectiles that are land based) or we can use our 105's and the 155's we have in store. If these guns were depleted there is not much hope from our air force because the ov-10's can be ripped apart by the battleships's AA guns. If the navy still survives I would use my naval strategy against the battle ships only on fast crafts though ( i am referring to what i have posted in "How to win a naval battle the smart way") If these attacks on the battleships wont work i'd spend alot of money on the new russian anti carrier missile (forget what its called) and see what it has to offer.
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Re: What could the AFP do against a WWII battleship?
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2007, 08:11:54 PM »
IF--a big IF--there are still airworthy F-5s, can they be fitted with Exocet anti-ship missiles? (What aircraft did the Argentines use in delivering the Exocets against the British Navy ships during the Falklands? Mirage?)

If yes, then that would be the most cost-efficient and effective means of sinking these three mighty battleships.

Another big IF: If we can acquire enough Exocets. ;-)

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Re: What could the AFP do against a WWII battleship?
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2007, 09:15:05 PM »
IF--a big IF--there are still airworthy F-5s, can they be fitted with Exocet anti-ship missiles? (What aircraft did the Argentines use in delivering the Exocets against the British Navy ships during the Falklands? Mirage?)

If yes, then that would be the most cost-efficient and effective means of sinking these three mighty battleships.

Another big IF: If we can acquire enough Exocets. ;-)

I remember reading an article in International Combat Arms magazine, around the time when the Iowa class battleships came out, that estimated that because of their armor, battleships could easily withstand the multiple Exocet or Harpoon hits. You won't be able to sink them as easily as the lightly armored, aluminum hulled British ships in the Falklands.

One more problem . . . the AFP doesn't have anti-ship missiles.
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Re: What could the AFP do against a WWII battleship?
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2007, 09:22:12 PM »
IF--a big IF--there are still airworthy F-5s, can they be fitted with Exocet anti-ship missiles? (What aircraft did the Argentines use in delivering the Exocets against the British Navy ships during the Falklands? Mirage?)

If yes, then that would be the most cost-efficient and effective means of sinking these three mighty battleships.

Another big IF: If we can acquire enough Exocets. ;-)

Sir, I think the Argentines used A-4 Skyhawks against the British ships during the Falklands War :)

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Re: What could the AFP do against a WWII battleship?
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2007, 09:59:00 PM »
Sir, I think the Argentines used A-4 Skyhawks against the British ships during the Falklands War :)

They also used Etendards
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Re: What could the AFP do against a WWII battleship?
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2007, 10:12:02 PM »
PHILIPPINE NAVY:

How about a torpedo attack? we have some old destroyers right? do this just to buy some time for the air force.


AIR FORCE:

Borrow 3 Passenger Plane from PAL and stuff them with explosive. then, make a suicide attack just like the 9-11 on those ships.


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Re: What could the AFP do against a WWII battleship?
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2007, 01:19:11 AM »
I remember reading an article in International Combat Arms magazine, around the time when the Iowa class battleships came out, that estimated that because of their armor, battleships could easily withstand the multiple Exocet or Harpoon hits. You won't be able to sink them as easily as the lightly armored, aluminum hulled British ships in the Falklands.

One more problem . . . the AFP doesn't have anti-ship missiles.

What do you mean by "around the time when the Iowa class battleships came out"?

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Re: What could the AFP do against a WWII battleship?
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2007, 06:01:56 AM »
just watch sinking of the bismarck on you tube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuTNJ2oz1aE&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ib7jnRXHV4&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JeW5517cI4&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrVivj9Q5Po&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jv06Ay5jqcI&mode=related&search=

based on what happened , it is extremely hard to sink such a battleship. I dont think we have in our disposal to do the job except probably from a kamikase type attack.

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Re: What could the AFP do against a WWII battleship?
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2007, 07:06:56 AM »
What do you mean by "around the time when the Iowa class battleships came out"?

During the Reagan era . . . when they were brought out of mothball and armed with cruise missiles.
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Re: What could the AFP do against a WWII battleship?
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2007, 07:12:23 AM »
based on what happened , it is extremely hard to sink such a battleship. I dont think we have in our disposal to do the job except probably from a kamikase type attack.

Yup, sounds like it.  :(

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Re: What could the AFP do against a WWII battleship?
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2007, 07:17:28 AM »
or just simply use our SEALS, raid the ships take control or just simply put some demo!
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Re: What could the AFP do against a WWII battleship?
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2007, 07:34:43 AM »
do you know how thick the armor of bismarck is? it is 13 inches on all side including the top. that is one tough nut to crack.

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Re: What could the AFP do against a WWII battleship?
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2007, 07:40:56 AM »
do you know how thick the armor of bismarck is? it is 13 inches on all side including the top. that is one tough nut to crack.

The Yamato has 18 inches of armor. Its turrets reportedly weigh more than a destroyer.

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