Upgraded Marine V150 rolls out

[40niner_com]

Thanks, Sir Manoks.  This got me back into research mode, and I'm sharing what I found.

From the Textron V-300 brochure (LAV-300 MkII)
Power Train

• Engine ............Cummins QSC 8.3 (turbocharged, after-cooled diesel)  {(other options available)}
• Transmission ...Allison MD3560, 6-speed
• Transfer Case ..Single speed, helical gears
• Axles .............Single reduction hypoid - silent locking differential
• Tires .............14.00R20, Run Flat Inserts

In comparison, the newest of the V-150 series -- ASV-150 used by the US Army MP units in Iraq has the following (Janes)
Power pack: Cummins 6CTA 8.3 turbocharged diesel developing 260hp coupled to an Allison MD 3560 fully automatic transmission

So there is a strong possibility that the Army V-150ST  does have the same turbo-charged engine with the Marines' V-300 (and the now LARSUed V-150S)

Further, if found translated reference of the old (and shorter) V-150 (circa 1973-1981, not our currently operational (stretched) V-150S units) that listed to having two engine options :

• 5.910-liter V8 gasoline engine, 210hp manual or automatci transmission at 4000 rpm
• Diesel 8 cylinders engine, Water cooled, 202 HP at 3,300 rpm; for automatic transmission 4 step forward, 1 step backward

Thailand's current V-150 units used Diesel V540 rated at 202hp.

[gemini1]

Mga sirs, reposting the same questions.

Was the cadloy plates imported or is it available locally?
and is the amphibious capability retained?

[mblt6]

I stand corrected after our visit last week at cummins Phil - the engine on our newly upgraded V-150 ST is the cummins in line 6CTA.

Thanks, Sir Manoks.  This got me back into research mode, and I'm sharing what I found.

From the Textron V-300 brochure (LAV-300 MkII)
Power Train

• Engine ............Cummins QSC 8.3 (turbocharged, after-cooled diesel)  {(other options available)}
• Transmission ...Allison MD3560, 6-speed
• Transfer Case ..Single speed, helical gears
• Axles .............Single reduction hypoid - silent locking differential
• Tires .............14.00R20, Run Flat Inserts

In comparison, the newest of the V-150 series -- ASV-150 used by the US Army MP units in Iraq has the following (Janes)
Power pack: Cummins 6CTA 8.3 turbocharged diesel developing 260hp coupled to an Allison MD 3560 fully automatic transmission

So there is a strong possibility that the Army V-150ST  does have the same turbo-charged engine with the Marines' V-300 (and the now LARSUed V-150S)

Further, if found translated reference of the old (and shorter) V-150 (circa 1973-1981, not our currently operational (stretched) V-150S units) that listed to having two engine options :

• 5.910-liter V8 gasoline engine, 210hp manual or automatci transmission at 4000 rpm
• Diesel 8 cylinders engine, Water cooled, 202 HP at 3,300 rpm; for automatic transmission 4 step forward, 1 step backward

Thailand's current V-150 units used Diesel V540 rated at 202hp.

[SARKid]

The Surigao Del Norte Provincial PNP has a V-150 with Japan surplus engine and transmission.It is still operational and combat ready.They spent less.

[Adroth]

The Surigao Del Norte Provincial PNP has a V-150 with Japan surplus engine and transmission.It is still operational and combat ready.They spent less.

How much did the PNP spend? Do you know how much the PMC will spend on the Chaimite revival? Remember, the LARS upgrade is not just about replacing the engine, so you cannot compare the PNP's commendable efforts to the upgrade. Compare it with the Chaimite efforts.

Did the PNP upgrade include stretching of the vehicle? As ANS explained in another thread, stretching is an art.

If no stretching was involved, then you really can't compare that to this effort. Arguably the revival of the Chimates could be just as cheap if not cheaper, since the engines don't have to be bought. Not sure about the transmission though.

Remember, the CSSB has brought back everything from LVTs to howitzers back to life ON THEIR OWN. They are also smart enough to know when a challege requires an expert -- as in the case of vehicle stretching.

[SARKid]

Yeah.Its different with the PMC upgrades.The PNP did not spend much becoz the Provincial Govt gave the funds...all in all,i heard from the mechanic who was a P/Insp that the govt spent not more than PhP150K.Hehehe.They also painted it royal blue.

[opus]

^ Well, there are few things you need to check in a mod like that.  Does the vehicle still have 4WD capability?  can it go off-road and can it go uphill?  I'm pretty sure the demands of police work are less harsh on vehicles than actual military.

[SARKid]

^ Well, there are few things you need to check in a mod like that.  Does the vehicle still have 4WD capability?  can it go off-road and can it go uphill?  I'm pretty sure the demands of police work are less harsh on vehicles than actual military.

Yeah,its roadbound now i think.No more off-road,but its still 4WD and can go up rough surface roads.Anyway,the PNP is not going head-to-head with an armored force so the "puede na yan"mentality took over....considering that they have no funds from PNP-NHQ.

[israeli]

i do not know if this is a good find or not but should the Army wanted to seek out possible sources of surplus V-150s, it should try approaching the Saudis. according to this PDF document released by the Israelis (please refer to Page 9 of the document), the Saudis have 690 V-150s that are currently in storage.

i guess it wouldn't be that bad if we will be able to acquire 150 to 200 well-kept surplus Saudi V-150s and have those vehicles subjected to the same upgrade program that the PMC V-150s got.

[Zero1]

 

Will the GKN Simbas get stretched as well? 

[opus]

^ Err, probably not.  They're said to be underpowered but the engine is up front, you can't stretch it the way you would a V150.  If there's a more powerful Perkins Diesel available maybe they'll re-engine it in the future but it's still a relatively young vehicle unlike the V150s.

[Shipwreck]

PNPSAF V-150





sorry bout the off topic.. but are those land rovers they're using??

[40niner_com]

PNPSAF V-150

Sorry, but that is NOT a V-150S, but a V-300/APC of the Philippine Marines.  I believe this photo shows a joint operation, between the PNP (white 6x6) and PMC 

[arvcab]

PNPSAF V-150





sorry bout the off topic.. but are those land rovers they're using??

where copying the brits now?

[anak ni sarge]

Well, there are few things you need to check in a mod like that.  Does the vehicle still have 4WD capability?  can it go off-road and can it go uphill?  I'm pretty sure the demands of police work are less harsh on vehicles than actual military.

Had the mechanic who re-engined the V-150 retained the tranny and the transfer case of the APC, and just adopted the bell housing of the surplus Japanese diesel engine to fit the clutch, the APC may very well have retained its 4WD capability. The question is, does the "new" engine have enough power and torque for the rest of the original powertrain? If the old engine of the APC was gas, more than likely the "new" diesel engine would not have enough power to pull it as smoothly as the old gas engine. Moreso if the diesel engine is naturally aspirated and not turbo or supercharged. It would have a very hard time climbing hills and mountains and if pushed to its limits on very rough and muddy terrain, may break machine shop welded adapter gears and yokes.

Yeah,its roadbound now i think.No more off-road,but its still 4WD and can go up rough surface roads.Anyway,the PNP is not going head-to-head with an armored force so the "puede na yan"mentality took over....considering that they have no funds from PNP-NHQ

The APC would still be able to navigate rough roads and rain-soaked clay inland roads and trails even with an underpowered  or ill-fitting engine. Heck, even one of the new Army Mitsubishi L-300 2WD would be able to do so too. But, would it be able to carry its original payload and still perform as designed originally? Perhaps, not.

Did they use a V-10 Diesel engine? Going by your assumptions on the conversion, if the local PNP office did not have a lot of money to spend for the conversion, it may have purchased a V-10 rather than a V-8 or in-line 6 since a V-10 cost less than the other two mentioned. Had it been the case, the APC may have retained all its capabilities as long as the adapter gears, yokes and other whatchamacallits hold up to the rigors and punishments the APC driver would put the vehicle into.

^ Err, probably not.  They're said to be underpowered but the engine is up front, you can't stretch it the way you would a V150.  If there's a more powerful Perkins Diesel available maybe they'll re-engine it in the future but it's still a relatively young vehicle unlike the V150s

You can also stretch it but why would you. It is long enough. And where do you plan to cut? Midsection or aft. Actually, the Simba, because it has its engine up front, can be streched at the tail section without compromising the balance of the APC since the weight of the engine up front will  balance the added weight on the tail section. You don't even have to touch the placement of the rear differential. The PMC V-150 conversion can serve as a template.

The conversion they did on the PMC V-150 was pretty straight forward. The company just cut the tail section and welded a new longer tail section to accomodate the bigger engine and provide more space inside. Unlike the Army stretched V-150 which was stretched midsection, the PMC V-150 conversion could be handled off factory since the integrity of the hull was hardly touched. I believe the Army version was purpose-built at the factory to be longer. The metal sheets were not cut and elongated, rather, they  were already long before they were welded together. Remember my concern when the PMC conversion was first brought up? I thought they were going to stretch midsection. Had they done so, I doubt the stretched PMC V-150 would have been comparable to the Army's, in terms of its hull integrity and drivability.

I doubt the Simbas will ever be stretched though. If it is already underpowered as it is, how much more if you add more weight. Is the engine of the Simba turbo or supercharged?