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Re: Status of the PCG Tenix boats
« Reply #30 on: July 16, 2008, 03:58:11 PM »
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10 years old is a long time between overhauls.  You think you can operate a car for ten years without putting it through one.  I would take it as a good sign that repair cycles are being followed rather than deploy and sail ships that are not ready for sea.

Actually, yes I can. My 95 4runner still runs smoothly. The only major repair made was the head gasket (actually a recall from Toyota).
The point is, if they keep a regular scheduled maintenance then perhaps it will take a much longer time before the engine conks out.

The trouble with those tenix boats started showing up since last year. But for one reason or another they just kept using it till it died. Had it been fix at the onset, maybe it would still be running right now or the cost would not be as substantial as what it is now?

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Quote from: SARKid on November 05, 2007, 10:11:09 PM
Also some of the 35mtr Tenix boats are now less capable due to the lack or delays in spareparts...The result is that the local PCG Cmdrs(optional)would have to commandeer local vessels(bancas)that are hazardous at best to conduct SAR in high seastates...


Sir Adroth,dont be too shocked.HEHEHE.But its true,all the Tenix boats are now at reduced capability due to the reasons i mentioned.The 35mtr SAR boats can now make only 18kts at best due to the non-functioning waterjets.The boats now rely on their two props....some boats even have problematic plumbing...and some galley stoves n refs no longer work.
         
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Re: Status of the PCG Tenix boats
« Reply #31 on: July 17, 2008, 07:31:44 PM »
This is very disheartening. Such new boats with very little hours and already such problems.

I would venture a bet that these boats are not funded properly that's why nakaipit sa drydock sila.

Again with the waterjets, the assets are there, the organization is still not ready.

Anyway flanker's size matters comment hits a good point. Survivability in sea state 5 is not really the same as being able to operate properly in the middle of a storm. I'm not even sure if their training covers going out in the middle of typhoon for these. The important thing is once the typhoon has passed and sea states have now gone back to more manageable levels that the ships are ready to go out to sea.

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Re: Status of the PCG Tenix boats
« Reply #32 on: December 17, 2008, 10:20:50 AM »
Here what coast guard boat? thread.   That's BRP Batangas.

Nice comparison between the 56m (helipad equipped) boat, and the 35m boat.  :thumbsup:

This is the 56mtr Tenix PCG SAR Vessel

BRP Batangas SAR 004.  Other members of the class are San Juan SAR 001, Edsa II SAR 002, Pampanga SAR 003.

The PHOTO on the 1ST POST is the 35-meter Tenix PCG SAR Vessel.
Here is a photo taken by fellow member FirstKnight.




More from FirstKnight. Muchos gracias.  :beer:

BRP Romblon at the port of Cagayan de Oro







Unlike the BRP Nueva Vizcaya, this one doesn't have the "K" award.

Could that be a gun mount at the front? Covered by a white canvas cover. Could this be the .50 cal gun mount that Pachada found the other year?

(Photo from: http://www.thenewstoday.info/20051024/coastguardboat.jpg)

First photo i have seen of gun on PCG ship:



its only a .50 caliber, but still its interesting. I think this is one of 4 .50 calibers mounted on each of the PCG's tenix ships.

C/o FirstKnight  :beer:

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Tenix boat lost?
« Reply #33 on: December 17, 2008, 10:24:23 AM »
PN rescuers rescued
by PAF choppers

http://www.malaya.com.ph/dec18/news4.htm
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BY VICTOR REYES

SEVEN Coast Guard personnel, out to rescue passengers of a distressed cargo vessel in Antique yesterday, were themselves rescued by Air Force personnel after their ship encountered trouble.

The distressed cargo ship M/V Maria Lourdes bound for San Jose, Oriental Mindoro from Iligan City was battered by huge waves near Sibay island around 7 p.m. Tuesday.

The Coast Guard sent three ships, including BRP Davao del Norte, to rescue the 20 personnel of M/V Maria Lourdes that was carrying 22,000 bags of cement.

At around 8 a.m. yesterday, the Air Force received a flash alarm about a Coast Guard vessel whose personnel were ordered to abandon ship because of turbulent seas off Sibay island.

The Air Force then sent two UH-1H or Huey helicopters from the Air Force Tactical Operations Group 4 in Lucena City and another from the Air Force headquarters in Villamor Air Base in Pasay City.

Maj. Gerry Zamudio, Air Force spokesman, said the skipper of the rescue vessel BRP Davao del Norte had ordered nine of his 13 crewmen to seek refuge in Sibay island, about three miles away, due to worsening weather conditions.

Seven of the nine were rescued by Air Force helicopters. The two others were unaccounted for as of press time.


The most important thing is lives of the crew . . .

. . . but . . . did we just lose one of the Tenix 35m boats?  (|8|

-/Registration number/Boat name/Remark

Search and rescue boat
5/AU 3501/BRP ILOCOS NORTE/ Search and rescue boat (35m type Australia make)
6/AU 3502/BRP VIZCAYA/ Ditto
7/AU 3503/BRP ROMBLON/ Ditto
8/AU 3504/BRP DAVAO DEL NORTE/ Ditto

This is the BRP Ilocos Norte . . . which the list above suggests is a sister ship of the BRP Davao del Norte

Pictures of BRP Ilocos Norte, courtesy of Xzibit 31 of Skyscraper City!





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Re: Status of the PCG Tenix boats
« Reply #34 on: December 17, 2008, 05:03:15 PM »
sir can this assets be insured? i mean it is technically a civilian ship and not military. i could be wrong

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Re: Status of the PCG Tenix boats
« Reply #35 on: December 17, 2008, 07:09:23 PM »

looks like its not lost after all... broken engine only & be towed to the nearest port....

article from philstar

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?ArticleId=424881&publicationSubCategoryId=63

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....The Coast Guard, meanwhile, located one of its rescue vessels that lost radio contact in rough seas off Antique province yesterday while on its way to help survivors of a sunken cargo ship.

A helicopter and other rescue ships found the Coast Guard vessel SARV 3504 with its engine broken several kilometers off Sibay island near the tourist resort of Boracay, coast guard spokesman Lt. Gary Dale Gimotea said.

Radio contact was lost but crewmembers used their cell phones to call in their coordinates. Tamayo added a helicopter was used to rescue nine of the Coast Guard personnel from SARV.

While four personnel remained on the ship, Tamayo said the vessel would be towed to the nearest port.

They were responding to a distress call Tuesday by a cargo vessel loaded with cement that sank off Caluya island in Antique, killing crewmember Alex Tambasin, the vessel’s chief engineer, Gimotea said.

The remaining 19 crew of MV Ma. Lourdes were rescued by a passing vessel and brought to Caluya, he said.

Rough waves were reported at the time of the sinking, officials said.

The Coast Guard also warned of possible oil spill in the wreckage area.

Coast Guard Iloilo chief Commander Harold Jarder said they are monitoring the possibility of diesel fuel leaking from Lourdes and contaminating the coastal areas of Western Visayas.

“Two years ago, we had to deal with the country’s worst oil spill in Guimaras,” Jarder pointed out.

The Coast Guard also rescued eight fishermen after their boat drifted and sank off Atimonan, Quezon last week.

The rescue came after the owner of the fishing boat Arnel Manaog informed the Coast Guard of the missing vessel with eight crew on board. – With Rainier Allan Ronda, Evelyn Macairan, Ronilo Ladrino Pamonag, Marvin Sy. Arnell Ozaeta, AP

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Re: Status of the PCG Tenix boats
« Reply #36 on: December 17, 2008, 07:26:30 PM »
How many tenix ships we have actually? I did not about the Romblon and the Ilocos Norte? How many are helicopter capable. Can you give me the names of the ship whether they are still active or not?
Thank you . . .

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Re: Status of the PCG Tenix boats
« Reply #37 on: December 17, 2008, 08:33:47 PM »
I think we got 4 56m and 4 35m tenix class vessel.


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Re: Status of the PCG Tenix boats
« Reply #38 on: December 17, 2008, 08:49:53 PM »
How many tenix ships we have actually? I did not about the Romblon and the Ilocos Norte? How many are helicopter capable. Can you give me the names of the ship whether they are still active or not?
Thank you . . .

They should atleast all be active by now.....

Initial Order for 2 - 56m SAR

On Dec. 10, 1997, then DOTC Secretary Arturo Enrile signed the contract between the DOTC and Tenix Shipbuilding for the construction and delivery of two 56-meter SAR vessels for a total price of $38.511 million. Financing for the project was arranged with EFIC and the New Zealand Banking Group Limited (ANZ).  Eighty percent will be through export credit facility and 20 percent will be through commercial financing.

2 units 56m SAR (Equip with Heli Deck) - Delivered 2000

   001 - BRP San Juan (June 2000)
   002 - BRP Edsa 11 (October 2000)

Follow on Order for 2 - 56m and 4 - 35m SAR

The PCG chief said the original price of each SAR vessel was $19 million but was reduced, after follow-up negotiations by the DOTC and the PCG, to $16.7 million for a combined savings of $4.6 million. Lista said the coming four 35-meter ships from Australia were acquired at a much lower price of $8.75 million each, with possible price reductions due to continuing discussions with the supplier.

2 units 56m SAR (Equip with Heli Deck)

   003 - BRP Pampanga (Feb 2003)   
   004 - BRP Batangas

4 units 35m SAR

   3501 - BRP Ilocos Norte (May 2003)
   3502 - BRP Nueva Vizcaya
   3503 - BRP Romblon
   3504 - BRP Davao Del Norte

Another 10 units 35m SAR to be acquired: see link
PCG Planned Equipment Aquisition to be funded in 2009 Appropriation
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Re: Status of the PCG Tenix boats
« Reply #39 on: December 17, 2008, 10:02:44 PM »
Radio contact was lost but crewmembers used their cell phones to call in their coordinates. Tamayo added a helicopter was used to rescue nine of the Coast Guard personnel from SARV.

if ever this will happen again radio's out no signal on cellphone.. now what?.. do you think we should also equip some of our SARV with satellite communication or some sort that can be carried easily and can be used at any time?

just my cents...
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Re: Status of the PCG Tenix boats
« Reply #40 on: December 17, 2008, 10:17:27 PM »
if ever this will happen again radio's out no signal on cellphone.. now what?..

hopefully they have a very sturdy liferaft
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Re: Status of the PCG Tenix boats
« Reply #41 on: December 18, 2008, 12:55:05 AM »
if ever this will happen again radio's out no signal on cellphone.. now what?.. do you think we should also equip some of our SARV with satellite communication or some sort that can be carried easily and can be used at any time?

just my cents...

Doesn't the Coast Guard equip their asset/s with back up communication equipment? I saw USS Midway (now a museum) even has an alternative steering (in case the bridge gets hit).

2 or 3 navigation system, that was before the advent of GPS's.

Wouldn't it be safe to assume that installing a back up communication equipment (say a satellite phone be much simpler?

To think of, this ship was built before the Korean War.

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Re: Status of the PCG Tenix boats
« Reply #42 on: December 18, 2008, 01:14:26 AM »
To think of, this ship was built before the Korean War.

Warships have traditionally enjoyed greater system redundancy than civilian ships. The former are built for survivability, while the latter are built for economy.

But still . . . a rescue ship with a single-point-of-failure in its communications capability? There's gotta be something wrong with that.

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Wouldn't HF radios be the ideal communications system for ships at sea? As I understand it, HF signals travel further than most because they bounce off the Ionosphere.
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Re: Status of the PCG Tenix boats
« Reply #43 on: December 18, 2008, 01:25:26 AM »

But still . . . a rescue ship with a single-point-of-failure in its communications capability? There's gotta be something wrong with that.

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Re: Status of the PCG Tenix boats
« Reply #44 on: December 18, 2008, 01:28:04 AM »
This paper provides an overview of the project design philosophy, application of the Det Norske Veritas High Speed Light Craft Rules, provides an insight into the principal design particulars and details of this First of Class vessel

Also includes specifications and photos never before seen, sorry i cant post pic at the moment just try to open the link Philippine Coast Guard Search and Rescue Vessel (56m SAR)


56m SAR Vessel

Equipped with:

GPS - Furuno
Plotter - Furuno ARPA 26
Radars - Furuno X band and S band
Depth Sounder - Furuno
GMDSS - Furuno 8000
Satcom - Furuno Inmarsat B and C
Auto Pilot - Tokimec PR 2213
Compass - Tokimec 110GS
Weatherfax - Furuno Fax 2084


35m SAR Vessel


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