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Juramentado

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Here is a potential EDA opportunity to close the PAF's CUH gap (and even satisfy the PA's desire to operate their own organic lift). With hundreds of UH-60As, there would be enough opportunity to cherry-pick better condition airframes, and draw from the remaining spares pool if they aren't forward compatible with the US Army's Ms and Vs.

https://defence-blog.com/army/u-s-army-to-get-rid-of-all-its-uh-60a-black-hawk-helicopters-by-2024.html

Of course, this isn't a possibility today with the current Administration. But DND should at least drop a line of inquiry, even backchannel, with JUSMAG and DSCA. By 2022, with the replacement well underway, there might be a more US friendly government in place.

The other obstacle is of course the propensity to not program appropriate funding levels. As it is, getting 16 new S-70is funded still isn't a done deal (LOC is not yet released). The DND would need to fund at least 70-80 UH-60As plus refurbishment, sustainment package and delivery in order to retire the Huey fleet. Cut that number to about half if the Hueys remain in service. That's a daunting number given historical procurement records.

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Re: EDA CUH Opportunity for the RP - US Army to Replace UH-60As by 2024
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2019, 06:50:19 PM »
Here is a potential EDA opportunity to close the PAF's CUH gap (and even satisfy the PA's desire to operate their own organic lift). With hundreds of UH-60As, there would be enough opportunity to cherry-pick better condition airframes, and draw from the remaining spares pool if they aren't forward compatible with the US Army's Ms and Vs.

https://defence-blog.com/army/u-s-army-to-get-rid-of-all-its-uh-60a-black-hawk-helicopters-by-2024.html

Of course, this isn't a possibility today with the current Administration. But DND should at least drop a line of inquiry, even backchannel, with JUSMAG and DSCA. By 2022, with the replacement well underway, there might be a more US friendly government in place.

The other obstacle is of course the propensity to not program appropriate funding levels. As it is, getting 16 new S-70is funded still isn't a done deal (LOC is not yet released). The DND would need to fund at least 70-80 UH-60As plus refurbishment, sustainment package and delivery in order to retire the Huey fleet. Cut that number to about half if the Hueys remain in service. That's a daunting number given historical procurement records.

Mr. J,

Isn't there a precedent for the Philippines acquiring at least one UH-60/SH-70A? I seem to recall the Presidential Airlift Wing of the Philippine Air Force has one UH-60/SH-70 in its inventory

Perhaps you might be familiar with the particulars of how that single aircraft was acquired?

To go back to topic, the Philippines has at least shown official interest, as shown by this old article below:

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Philippines Leans Towards Black Hawk and T129
by Chen Chuanren
 - December 11, 2018, 4:01 AM
The Philippines could become the second international customer for the Turkish Aerospace T129, following Pakistan. (photo: Turkish Aerospace)

The Philippines Air Force (PAF) has down-selected the Sikorsky UH-60 Black Hawk and the Turkish Aerospace Industries T129 ATAK for, respectively, its Combat Utility Helicopter (CUH) and attack helicopter programs. They were recommended by the Technical Working Group (TWG) set up by the PAF. However, the recommendation by the TWG is not an order confirmation and would require approvals by the Department of Defense.

The preference for the T129 was first made public in a speech by the PAF’s commanding general Lieutenant General Galileo Kintanar in late November. Speaking to Philippines media at a local event on December 7, Defense Secretary Delfin Loranzana confirmed that the PAF is looking at “ten, maybe eight’’ ATAK helicopters. The requirement to replace aging MD 520s was originally to be met with a new armed light helicopter, but recently the requirement changed to that for a dedicated attack helicopter.

Loranzana added that the TWG had also recommended the Black Hawk to replace the deal for 16 Canadian-built Bell 412s that was canceled in February. He said that the country has a budget of only $240 million for helicopters under its Horizon 2 project and was looking at buying 10 Korean Aerospace Industries Surion or Sikorsky Black Hawk helicopters,but revealed that the manufacturer of the Black Hawk changed its offer to 16 airframes.  He hopes to ink the deal for the CUH by next year.

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Re: EDA CUH Opportunity for the RP - US Army to Replace UH-60As by 2024
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2019, 07:06:59 PM »
Mr. J,

Isn't there a precedent for the Philippines acquiring at least one UH-60/SH-70A? I seem to recall the Presidential Airlift Wing of the Philippine Air Force has one UH-60/SH-70 in its inventory

Perhaps you might be familiar with the particulars of how that single aircraft was acquired?

http://malacanang.gov.ph/77365-the-presidential-planes/

S-70A BLACKHAWK HELICOPTER
The S-70A Blackhawk presidential helicopter was manufactured by Sikorsky
It was delivered on March 7, 1984 from the Foreign Military Sales (FMS) of the United States Army
It was given by the AFP to the Philippine Air Force for use of the Office of the President
Total flying time: 3400 hrs
President Marcos, Aquino, Ramos, Estrada, Arroyo and Aquino III have used it.
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